re: Trump says he’s canceling windmills and solar fields

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Not really comparable to a wind mill leak or solar panel spill.


*hat tip

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Of course, you would think that's a good point. It's toddler-level logic.

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That just a small poor outcome from solar panels. Just wait until disposal has to come after 25 years of useful life. These panels are full of heavy metals.

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did you see the blade that shattered offshore near Martha's Vineyard? all the debris washed up on the shore and they were picking it up for MONTHS and of course, the windmill was shut down.

now its come out that ALL those China blades are defective so they have to 'swap them out' on all the windmills

that seems environmentally friendly and inexpensive.



well we just need a screwdriver and wrench and we can swap 'em all out! anyone got a hefty bag handy? we'll just toss the old blades into it and take 'em to the dump!





MOTHER EARTH IS HEALING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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I’m not very familiar with solar leases. My assumption is that the energy companies lease the land and bring in the solar equipment. Any landowner should address the cleanup/removal in their contract.

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Cool, and when that solar company no longer exists? It is an almost certainty that a solar company in existence today, will not be in existence at the end of it's lease term. Bankruptcy is a feature of solar energy.

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So, like with defunct land based oil derricks, who removes them, if the company is no longer in existence? Again, the farmer doesn't. He can't afford to. And if you doubt this exists, it wasn't but a few years ago where this issue came up in Louisiana where local government had to create a law to address this. And even then, it doesn't address bankruptcy. You can't force a company that doesn't exist to come back and remove the mess they made. So what is your solution? You can't legislate your way out of this.

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what would you say if I want to dig a hole in a field next to your house and open up a public garbage dump? It's not your property so why should you care?

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Bad example. The smell and the constant noise of garbage trucks is a real issue.

I have always held the belief that if it is your land your neighbors desires should have no say. But don't misunderstand. I would not want to have a garbage dump next to me either. And that is where zoning laws comes into affect. A solar farm is a commercial endeavor. And putting it in areas that aren't appropriate for a commercial endeavor should of course not be allowed.

Sort of switching topic for a second. Down the street from me a vacant lot had a sign for a hearing. The owner wanted to build a building in a residential neighborhood and was seeking an exemption. If denied, I have no problem with that.

The sign was for an exemption to build a building with a flat roof. Their is and ordinance that a roof must be of a certain pitch or steeper. Never knew such a thing exist. And this is exactly the kind of city bull crap that I am against.

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Of course, you would think that's a good point. It's toddler-level logic.

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because the diesel fuel and petroleum used to build blades that end up in massive landfills with no way to break them down is all part of going green, stout!

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A wind turbine's blades can be longer than a Boeing 747 wing, so at the end of their lifespan they can't just be hauled away. A diamond-encrusted industrial saw is necessary to saw through the fiberglass to create three pieces small enough to be strapped to a tractor-trailer.

The municipal landfill in Casper, Wyo., is the final resting place of 870 blades whose days making renewable energy have come to end. The severed fragments look like bleached whale bones nestled against one another.

"That's the end of it for this winter," said landfill employee Michael Bratvold, watching a bulldozer bury them forever in sand. "We'll get the rest when the weather breaks this spring."

Tens of thousands of aging blades are coming down from steel towers around the world and most have nowhere to go but landfills. In the U.S. alone, about 8,000 will be removed in each of the next four years. Europe, which has been dealing with the problem longer, has about 3,800 coming down annually through at least 2022.

Designed to last as many as 20 years, blade lifespans can be shortened by several factors, including flaws in manufacturing and environmental challenges, like lightning.

Built to withstand hurricane-force winds, the blades can't easily be crushed, recycled or repurposed. That's created an urgent search for alternatives in places that lack wide-open prairies. In the U.S., they go to the handful of landfills that accept them, in Lake Mills, Iowa; Sioux Falls, S.D.; and Casper, where they will be interred in stacks that reach 30 feet under.

"The wind turbine blade will be there, ultimately, forever," said Bob Cappadona, chief operating officer for the North American unit of Paris-based Veolia Environnement S.A., which is searching for better ways to deal with the waste. "Most landfills are considered a dry tomb."

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WE'RE SO GREEN!!!!

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decatur hat tip green energy field intensifies

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Some more beauties of green energy.

ARCO Carrizo Plain Solar Farm
San Luis Obispo County, California


Kamaoa Wind Farm
Hawaii’s Big Island, Southern tip


Tehachapi and Altamont Wind Energy Areas
California


Utah

Gotta recycle dat.

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Bad example. The smell and the constant noise of garbage trucks is a real issue.

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No. In Louisiana you have to have a liner and methane release to open a dump that takes household trash aka the ones that smell.

You can open up a dump that strictly takes construction debris, such as wood, shingles, sheetrock, etc. Stuff that doesn't smell at all. There are 3 in Lake Charles I know of and there is no smell but they are huge eyesores and no one wants to live next to one.

There are no garbage trucks going to these dumps since these dumps are not designed to handle that type of waste.

With all of that being said, you would be upset if someone built one next to you because even with the lack of noise and smell, it will still lower you property value just by the nature of what it is. The same for a solar farm.

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I didn’t realize we had this many Sierra Club members worried about the birds.

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Ah, so when you can't argue a point, you regress to hyperbole? Cool.

So your assumption, is that if someone doesn't like "green energy" it's because we all must hate the environment. I'd argue that most hunters don't care for green energy. And most hunters are conservationists. But, you don't know that. You think hunters just want to kill. Meanwhile, you, the noble leftist, has no problem with factory farming and you really don't even understand the impact of such things on wildlife. But, because you believe everything the eco-terrorists say, you don't take time to develop any foresight, or think through any problem, do you?

And i'd guess, by your lack of intellectualism, that your profession, if you have one, is one of menial tasks, that require to critical thought.

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Cool, and when that solar company no longer exists?

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Your article references residential solar equipment companies and does not really apply to your argument. In many cases, large solar farms on leased land are owned/operated by electric utilities which generally don't disappear.

There are many arguments against solar but this isn't one of them.