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re: Trump potentially doing a soft invasion into Mexico?
Posted on 12/23/24 at 8:24 pm to Indefatigable
Posted on 12/23/24 at 8:24 pm to Indefatigable
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We’d have to occupy the whole damn region for decades to fully do something like that.
No, Mexico could do that. Maybe they just need some support to turn the tide. It’s happening in El Salvador.
This post was edited on 12/23/24 at 8:25 pm
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Posted on 12/23/24 at 8:26 pm to Penrod
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Mexico could do that. Maybe they just need some support to turn the tide. It’s happening in El Salvador.
There are 150,000,000 people in Mexico. Not quite the same as El Salvador, which could geographically fit inside the CDMX metro.
This post was edited on 12/23/24 at 8:27 pm
Posted on 12/23/24 at 8:52 pm to Indefatigable
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There are 150,000,000 people in Mexico. Not quite the same as El Salvador
Nothing is ever quite the same as anything else. The lesson applies, though. Just as America beat the Mafia and El Salvador beat the cartels, Mexico can win, too.
Posted on 12/23/24 at 9:46 pm to Indefatigable
Green Berets have been there for decades. One of my old soldiers was there in 2007 and was there off and on throughout his time with the teams. We have had a presence before that. They have been gathering evidence about the cartels long before that.
This would be black ops fast and with precision. It wouldn’t be an occupying presence.
Nothing Mexico would do or can do about it. Even if they tried that would be really bad for them. First you cut off trades coming in and out, which we are 80% of their economy or more. After a few months they will be bringing cartel members to the border in chains. Then we take Mexico and build a wall south of Mexico, where it is a lot smaller.
Breed all the Latinas into patriots and we win.
This would be black ops fast and with precision. It wouldn’t be an occupying presence.
Nothing Mexico would do or can do about it. Even if they tried that would be really bad for them. First you cut off trades coming in and out, which we are 80% of their economy or more. After a few months they will be bringing cartel members to the border in chains. Then we take Mexico and build a wall south of Mexico, where it is a lot smaller.
Breed all the Latinas into patriots and we win.
Posted on 12/23/24 at 10:22 pm to SouthEasternKaiju
Colombia.
Posted on 12/23/24 at 10:23 pm to SmogkDeizKnutz
We know that shooting terror leaders destabilizes things and makes them worse.
Cartel leaders will have the same result.
Secure the border. That’s the only way.
Cartel leaders will have the same result.
Secure the border. That’s the only way.
Posted on 12/23/24 at 10:48 pm to SmogkDeizKnutz
The Rolling Stone publishes stories written by the CIA.
Posted on 12/24/24 at 5:08 am to RogerTheShrubber
A major complication is likely corruption on our side.
For example, are some of those beleaguered ranchers on our side in on it? No doubt some are, and they should be whipped with horse reins for acting that way.
I'm fine with the targeted assassination of cartel leaders. You want asymmetrical? I'll show you asymmetrical. Scare the crap out of every new guy, and then whack them and their families too.
Think anyone really wants an exciting new leadership position in Hezbollah in Lebanon right now?
That's how you handle criminal gangs. Make an org chart, and hunt them all down.
For example, are some of those beleaguered ranchers on our side in on it? No doubt some are, and they should be whipped with horse reins for acting that way.
I'm fine with the targeted assassination of cartel leaders. You want asymmetrical? I'll show you asymmetrical. Scare the crap out of every new guy, and then whack them and their families too.
Think anyone really wants an exciting new leadership position in Hezbollah in Lebanon right now?
That's how you handle criminal gangs. Make an org chart, and hunt them all down.
Posted on 12/24/24 at 5:21 am to MizzouBS
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Only way to secure the border is to take out the cartels.
If the military is on the border, the cartels are never getting across, ever again.
A wall is great and should be built, but we can man the border, and I mean all of it, very quickly. From there, all the simple stuff like c-wire is sufficient. That stuff can't be breached quickly enough to get past people responding. And the cartels do not have the capability to push their way in past the military. We don't have to go to war with them. We just secure the border.
Posted on 12/24/24 at 5:38 am to Tantal
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If we go this route, we had better be prepared for the narco-terrorism that will come with it. American civilians will die as a result.
too many people underestimate this, imo
Posted on 12/24/24 at 5:54 am to POTUS2024
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If we go this route, we had better be prepared for the narco-terrorism that will come with it. American civilians will die as a result
Will it he more than what is already dying?
Posted on 12/24/24 at 5:55 am to RogerTheShrubber
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Mexicans will flee to America in droves.
Yep, the unintended consequences of ideas not well thought out
Biden won't be the president if/when cartels are selectively visited by elite members of our military. The border won't be open.
Posted on 12/24/24 at 6:03 am to TigerFanatic99
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We’d have to occupy the whole damn region for decades to fully do something like that
Worked really well in Afghanistan
We didn't occupy Columbia when we took out Escobar. Same type of operation would work in Mexico. It's naive to believe we could totally shut down the cartels but we could do some damage and send a very strong message!
The spin would be that we're not "invading" Mexico but helping out southern neighbor to combat the cartels.
Posted on 12/24/24 at 6:05 am to lake chuck fan
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Biden won't be the president if/when cartels are selectively visited by elite members of our military.
Neocons everywhere...
You dont make America great again by invading your neighbors.
Posted on 12/24/24 at 6:15 am to jizzle6609
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what are they going to do about it if they dont like it?
Build a big, beautiful wall on their northern border.
Posted on 12/24/24 at 6:19 am to SmogkDeizKnutz
You would have a much smaller border to secure if you conquered Mexico.
Posted on 12/24/24 at 6:22 am to SmogkDeizKnutz
Unpopular opinion:
The Mexican cartels have spent decades digging into some of the hills and urban areas in Mexico and are armed heavily with everything from mines to drones to missiles and heavy machine guns.
A simple SF strike would not cripple the cartels from a leadership or functional standpoint and would lead to domestic assassinations in retaliation.
To defeat them would require combined arms with artillery, air strikes and possibly armor to push them out of their mountain and underground fortresses.
And to be clear that isn’t my opinion, that’s the opinion of multiple aggressive and experienced SF operators with combat tours from Iraq to Tora Bora.
Are we prepared to drop daisy cutters on poor neighborhoods? Because that’s probably what it would take
The Mexican cartels have spent decades digging into some of the hills and urban areas in Mexico and are armed heavily with everything from mines to drones to missiles and heavy machine guns.
A simple SF strike would not cripple the cartels from a leadership or functional standpoint and would lead to domestic assassinations in retaliation.
To defeat them would require combined arms with artillery, air strikes and possibly armor to push them out of their mountain and underground fortresses.
And to be clear that isn’t my opinion, that’s the opinion of multiple aggressive and experienced SF operators with combat tours from Iraq to Tora Bora.
Are we prepared to drop daisy cutters on poor neighborhoods? Because that’s probably what it would take
Posted on 12/24/24 at 6:29 am to Indefatigable
The cartels are in charge of Mexico, especially the border.
They are more powerful, ruthless and have more influence / money than the government.
It's a huge issue, about the only way to stop it is to allow a US Military presence in the area.
They are more powerful, ruthless and have more influence / money than the government.
It's a huge issue, about the only way to stop it is to allow a US Military presence in the area.
Posted on 12/24/24 at 6:38 am to lake chuck fan
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Wrong. When have we tried this? Using special forces to surgically strike cartel leadership????
The last time we tried this, the SF-trained operatives who took over the cartel effectively replaced the cartel. Los Zetas, baw.
"The cartels" aren't these singular organizations who are rudderless if you take out leadership. They have shown for decades that if you take out one leadership group, another will form to replace them and takeover.
It's very similar to terrorist organizations. They're the snakes on Medusa's head, and taking them on will be as effective as the WOT was. Mexico just tried in what was effectively a civil war for a long time and no progress was made.
Posted on 12/24/24 at 6:38 am to RogerTheShrubber
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You dont make America great again by invading your neighbors
You keep using the word "invaded". Using small teams of highly trained special forces to selectively target cartel leadership and disrupt their operations isn't an invasion. As someone already mentioned, drones could be used for much of this.
America could either take credit and be helping our neighbor or remain silent, play it as rival cartels taking out one another.
So many ways this could be done which would not be an invasion.
One thing we all agree on is that Mexico won't do anything to stop the cartels, regardless what they say or what agreements they sign.
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