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re: Trump pollster's campaign autopsy paints damning picture of defeat

Posted on 2/2/21 at 1:16 am to
Posted by HailHailtoMichigan!
Mission Viejo, CA
Member since Mar 2012
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Posted on 2/2/21 at 1:16 am to
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I would say I am a right leaning moderate.
Then why have you been so supportive of biden's agenda so far?

no true moderate conservative would support a 15 dollar minimum wage or letting men be in girls sports.
Posted by CrimsonFever
Gump Hard or Go Home
Member since Jul 2012
18099 posts
Posted on 2/2/21 at 1:20 am to
I haven't made many pro Biden posts. I like him more than I like Trump obviously, but I am against the 15 dollar minimum wage among other things and don't think it will get passed.

I don't like radicalism, whether it be far right or far left. You seem like a republican who als0 isn't a fan of the far right aspect of what the party is shifting to lately.
This post was edited on 2/2/21 at 1:24 am
Posted by HailHailtoMichigan!
Mission Viejo, CA
Member since Mar 2012
74211 posts
Posted on 2/2/21 at 1:25 am to
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You seem like a republican who isn't a fan of the far right aspect of what the party is shifting too lately either.
I really don't think the party itself is "radical", in the policy sense. it's radical in the sense that stupid conspiracy theories are seeping in.

The party has gotten much more moderate on social issues like gay marriage. The party is basically akin to bill clinton and european conservative parties on immigration and culture.

I don't think, from a policy standpoint, biden is less radical than trump. trump never proposed something as radical as 15 dollar minimum wage or boys in girls sports.
Posted by EA6B
TX
Member since Dec 2012
14754 posts
Posted on 2/2/21 at 1:27 am to
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Biden also got over 10 million more than Hillary did.


Biden outperformed Hillary and Obama in most red states, he got 34% more votes than Hillary in Texas. It’s just reality unless you want to believe the red states were also rigging votes in Baden’s favor.
Posted by CrimsonFever
Gump Hard or Go Home
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18099 posts
Posted on 2/2/21 at 1:32 am to
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I don't think, from a policy standpoint, biden is less radical than trump. trump never proposed something as radical as 15 dollar minimum wage or boys in girls sports.


True, and if it comes down to policy I vote republican 8 out of 10 times unless I just really dislike or distrust the republican candidate.

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it's radical in the sense that stupid conspiracy theories are seeping in.


Yeah that's what really turns me off from Trump. Plus I didn't believe most of what he said when he was running, and for sure didn't after he got elected, and it's gotten even more outlandish since the election ended with all this talk that he really won and there was some grand conspiracy against him. I think he legit has mental issues.
This post was edited on 2/2/21 at 1:33 am
Posted by davyjones
NELA
Member since Feb 2019
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Posted on 2/2/21 at 1:33 am to
Well I don't know if I'd necessarily use the term "outperformed" in this particular instance.

But obviously I get your point.
This post was edited on 2/2/21 at 1:34 am
Posted by HailHailtoMichigan!
Mission Viejo, CA
Member since Mar 2012
74211 posts
Posted on 2/2/21 at 1:43 am to
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Yeah that's what really turns me off from Trump. Plus I didn't believe most of what he said when he was running, and for sure didn't after he got elected, and it's gotten even more outlandish since the election ended with all this talk that he really won and there was some grand conspiracy against him. I think he legit has mental issues.
it goes beyond trump, and it was starting to be a problem before him (remember jade helm bs)

I blame social media.
Posted by EA6B
TX
Member since Dec 2012
14754 posts
Posted on 2/2/21 at 2:00 am to
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I think he legit has mental issues.


Which somehow makes electing a president suffering from dementia seem like a viable alternative?
Posted by narddogg81
Vancouver
Member since Jan 2012
22103 posts
Posted on 2/2/21 at 2:10 am to
frick off, linking politico
Posted by GumboPot
Member since Mar 2009
140573 posts
Posted on 2/2/21 at 2:49 am to
This is complete bull shite. Trump out performed his 2016 numbers except where Biden cheated in six cities: Atlanta, Las Vegas, Milwaukee, Detroit, Phoenix and Philly.
Posted by NC_Tigah
Make Orwell Fiction Again
Member since Sep 2003
139033 posts
Posted on 2/2/21 at 2:58 am to
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he was done in by hemorrhaging support from white voters
Interesting take considering he pulled in >10 million more of them than in 2016.
Posted by GumboPot
Member since Mar 2009
140573 posts
Posted on 2/2/21 at 2:58 am to
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I don't like radicalism


Hope you like radical gasoline prices, taxes and ME wars because they coming.
Posted by GumboPot
Member since Mar 2009
140573 posts
Posted on 2/2/21 at 3:03 am to
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Plus I didn't believe most of what he said when he was running


But you won’t name one thing. But it’s there. You can feel it. Like Muh Russia conspiracy theory. Have you ever thought that maybe you and the media are the conspiracy theorists?
Posted by ksayetiger
Centenary Gents
Member since Jul 2007
70335 posts
Posted on 2/2/21 at 3:10 am to
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Could be that more people in red states voted for him than in 2016, that could make his total votes go up and not help him in the electoral college. I think he gained votes in the deep red states due to more people voting but lost some in the swing states from what this report shows.




I wish I saved the graph,


trump had gains (roughly 2%) IN EVERY SINGLE STATE except ga, wi, pa, nv, az, and mi

my jaw dropped when I saw the list. looking now for it....
Posted by GumboPot
Member since Mar 2009
140573 posts
Posted on 2/2/21 at 3:14 am to
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trump had gains (roughly 2%) IN EVERY SINGLE STATE except ga, wi, pa, nv, az, and mi


It’s more specific than that. 2020 was lost/won exactly in Atlanta, Las Vegas, Milwaukee, Detroit, Phoenix and Philly. Where the votes were stolen.
Posted by TheHarahanian
Actually not Harahan as of 6/2023
Member since May 2017
23931 posts
Posted on 2/2/21 at 3:14 am to

I don’t personally know of a single Trump 2016 voter who flipped in 2020.

What did Biden offer in his non-campaign to entice voters to flip?

And why only in the major cities in battleground states?

bullshite
Posted by NC_Tigah
Make Orwell Fiction Again
Member since Sep 2003
139033 posts
Posted on 2/2/21 at 3:18 am to
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I think he legit has mental issues.
As do you.
Posted by NC_Tigah
Make Orwell Fiction Again
Member since Sep 2003
139033 posts
Posted on 2/2/21 at 3:22 am to
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the far right aspect of what the party is shifting to
Good Lord!
In a country on the precipice of full blown socialism, perhaps you could define WTF you mean by """far right""".
Posted by BarberitosDawg
Lee County Florida across causeway
Member since Oct 2013
13193 posts
Posted on 2/2/21 at 3:29 am to
Trump suffered from Dominion shenanigan syndrome and nothing more...
Posted by ForeverEllisHugh
Baton Rouge
Member since Aug 2016
16616 posts
Posted on 2/2/21 at 3:44 am to
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CrimsonFever


How do you feel about tearing down our energy infrastructure because of the nonsensical lie that is catastrophic manmade climate change?
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