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re: Trump performed worse in GOP swing state counties in 2020 than he did in 2016
Posted on 7/3/23 at 12:31 pm to Tmcgin
Posted on 7/3/23 at 12:31 pm to Tmcgin
Its amazing to me that anyone would argue spending when covid was sprung on the world. The US economy along with world economy was in a death spiral. Trying to blame something on Trump that was released in part to get rid of him is laughable. Congress was pushing for the stimulus money. If Trump would have bucked that the media would have burned him to the ground more than they already were. He really had no choice.
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Posted on 7/3/23 at 12:39 pm to Jon Ham
It does no such thing. LMAO!
Posted on 7/3/23 at 12:43 pm to Jjdoc
The complete Georgia analysis is coming, friend. I’m about 1/3 of the way through. Can’t definitively say where the data is headed yet, but I’ll just say you need to be ready.
Posted on 7/3/23 at 12:58 pm to Jjdoc
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It does no such thing. LMAO!
It really does. You should take a look at the numbers. Trump did worse in 43 states in 2020. Red states, blue states, purple states. When you win narrowly in 2016, then perform worse in the overwhelming majority of states, you'll lose.
Here are the states where Trump performed better in 2020.
Arkansas +.7%
California +.95%
Florida +2.16%
Hawaii +2.73%
Illinois +.08%
Nevada +.03%
Utah +2.40%
That's it. Everywhere else he saw his margins decrease from 2016.
Alabama -2.26%
Alaska -4.67%
Arizona -3.80%
Colorado -8.59%
Connecticut -6.43%
Delaware -7.60%
Georgia -5.36%
Idaho -1.00%
Indiana -2.84%
Iowa -1.21%
Kansas -5.97%
Kentucky -3.90%
Louisiana -1.03%
Maine -6.11%
Massachusetts -6.26%
Maryland -6.79%
Michigan -3.01%
Minnesota -5.60%
Mississippi -1.26%
Missouri -3.24%
Montana -4.05%
N. Carolina -2.32%
N. Dakota -2.39%
New Hampshire -6.98%
New Jersey -1.83%
New Mexico -2.57%
New York -.64%
Nebraska -6.00%
Ohio -.10%
Oklahoma -3.31%
Oregon -5.10%
Pennsylvania -1.88%
Rhode Island -5.27%
S Carolina -2.59%
S Dakota -3.63%
Tennessee -2.79%
Texas -3.41%
Virginia -4.79%
Vermont -9.01%
West Virginia -3.14%
Washington -3.49%
Wisconsin -1.40%
Wyoming -2.90%
Posted on 7/3/23 at 1:01 pm to JoeHackett
Jjdoc and Fat Basturd live in a world where losing is winning and they have the magical ability to just say something isn’t what we can all see it is.
Posted on 7/3/23 at 1:36 pm to BBONDS25
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Ignoring the fraud is going to cost republicans the next election.
I'm thinking maybe we could all support the guy with a record of addressing it.
Posted on 7/3/23 at 3:28 pm to JoeHackett
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That's it. Everywhere else he saw his margins decrease from 2016.
link to your data?
I pulled the results for Alabama and they do not match what you posted.
Posted on 7/3/23 at 3:29 pm to Jon Ham
POS Election Troll...you are.
Sad pitiful useful idiot too.
Sad pitiful useful idiot too.
Posted on 7/3/23 at 4:06 pm to deathvalleytiger10
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link to your data?
I pulled the results for Alabama and they do not match what you posted.
2016 in Alabama
2020 in Alabama
Trump won Alabama in 2016 62.08 - 34.36. A 27.72 margin.
Trump won Alabama in 2020 62.03 - 36.57. A 25.46 margin.
For a difference of 2.26%
Posted on 7/3/23 at 4:33 pm to Jon Ham
How much of Trump's success was because he ran against Hillary?
How much of Biden's success was because he ran against Trump?
Feels a bit like rock paper scissors
How much of Biden's success was because he ran against Trump?
Feels a bit like rock paper scissors
Posted on 7/5/23 at 11:44 am to JoeHackett
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Trump won Alabama in 2016 62.08 - 34.36. A 27.72 margin.
Trump won Alabama in 2020 62.03 - 36.57. A 25.46 margin.
For a difference of 2.26%
You are looking at this incorrectly. You are not including other candidates that had votes. Trump did not lose votes, he actually gained. And, if looking at margin, you need to look at the other candidates on the ballot that took away more votes from Hillary in 2016 than in 2020. There were fewer candidates and they took away fewer votes from Biden than they took from Hillary.
Trumps percentage of the vote was only down .05. The rest was from you omitting other candidates.
Posted on 7/5/23 at 12:53 pm to deathvalleytiger10
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And, if looking at margin, you need to look at the other candidates on the ballot that took away more votes from Hillary in 2016 than in 2020. There were fewer candidates and they took away fewer votes from Biden than they took from Hillary.
There were more 3rd party votes in 2016 than 2020. Nothing about my post is misleading.
I fully believe, as you've stated, that 3rd party voters in 2016 backed Biden in 2020. Therefore the margin of victory or margin of defeat was worse for Trump.
That fully explains why Trump lost in 2020. There was no cheating, just people who backed Biden instead of a generic 3rd party.
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Trumps percentage of the vote was only down .05. The rest was from you omitting other candidates.
I'm not omitting candidates. I'm explaining, with your help, that Trump lost ground due to voters making choices. He won narrowly in 2016, then voters chose Biden in 2020 and Trump lost.
Posted on 7/5/23 at 1:14 pm to Jon Ham
you probably believe that unicorns are real too!
Posted on 7/5/23 at 2:27 pm to countrytiger60
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you probably believe that unicorns are real too!
Coming from someone who still believes in krakens, that’s rich.
Posted on 7/6/23 at 11:41 am to JoeHackett
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Therefore the margin of victory or margin of defeat was worse for Trump.
The margin changed only .05. All of the other votes constitute the rest of the votes. You can't say the margin was greater than that because Biden had more than Hillary.
It is simple math.
Posted on 7/6/23 at 11:50 am to deathvalleytiger10
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The margin changed only .05. All of the other votes constitute the rest of the votes. You can't say the margin was greater than that because Biden had more than Hillary.
It is simple math.
The margin between Trump/Hillary changed more than .05 compared to the margin between Trump/Biden.
I don't think you understand how margins work in elections. You don't win by gaining more votes, you win by having more votes than your opponent.
You explained it pretty well yesterday.
3rd party voters in 2016 switched to Biden in 2020. That's why the margins shifted.
Therefore Biden won a legitimate election. Your explanation made a lot of sense.
This post was edited on 7/6/23 at 11:52 am
Posted on 7/6/23 at 12:02 pm to deathvalleytiger10
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Trumps percentage of the vote was only down .05.
I'll try to explain why you're reasoning doesn't add up.
Using Pennsylvania
Trump 2016 - 48.18%
Trump 2020 - 48.84%
According to your logic, Trump increased his "margin" by .6%
But that's not how elections work. He got a larger share of the vote but went from +0.72 to -1.17
That's a nearly 2 point swing. That's what I'm pointing out. You want to talk about something entirely different. You're comparing his share of votes. I'm comparing what actually matters in elections, his percentage of vote vs his opponent.
Those point swings happened everywhere. Not just in a few swing states that were stolen but in practically every state.
This post was edited on 7/6/23 at 12:18 pm
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