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re: Trump just nuked Republican Congressman Thomas Massie out of orbit

Posted on 3/27/20 at 11:22 am to
Posted by SOCAL TIGER
SOCAL
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Posted on 3/27/20 at 11:22 am to
That package sucks!!!
Posted by Indefatigable
Member since Jan 2019
26436 posts
Posted on 3/27/20 at 11:22 am to
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It did in the senate.


K. The House is not the Senate
Posted by SSpaniel
Germantown
Member since Feb 2013
29658 posts
Posted on 3/27/20 at 11:23 am to
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He is voting “no” to unanimous consent thereby forcing a formal vote.


Where he will get the EXACT same result. All he is doing is forcing numerous people to travel to Washington at a time when we are told explicitly by the very same people NOT to travel and meet in groups. What he is forcing is unnecessary.
Posted by TideCPA
Member since Jan 2012
10370 posts
Posted on 3/27/20 at 11:26 am to
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What he is forcing is unnecessary.

Flippantly layering $2T+ on top of the national debt without having to even record a vote is unnecessary.
Posted by AggieHank86
Texas
Member since Sep 2013
42941 posts
Posted on 3/27/20 at 11:28 am to
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Wrong. He can vote no on the voice vote without requesting a roll call.
Link?
4 House Voting Procedures.

Unless 1/5 of the quorum demand a recorded or yeah/nay vote, a simple anonymous voice vote is all you get.
Posted by Indefatigable
Member since Jan 2019
26436 posts
Posted on 3/27/20 at 11:29 am to
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record a vote is unnecessary.


Pretending that a recorded vote is significant in any way is also unnecessary. No one is getting voted out of their seat over this bill.
This post was edited on 3/27/20 at 11:30 am
Posted by Sentrius
Fort Rozz
Member since Jun 2011
64757 posts
Posted on 3/27/20 at 11:29 am to
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which would force all members to return to Washington, D.C. and slowdown movement on the bill.


These members asked the good people of their districts to grant them the privilege of representing them in Congress.

Them treating being forced to come back to DC like it's some huge sacrifice is absolutely terrible.

The fact that they have be forced to be accountable for a vote on a bill this big, especially with all the pork in it is evidence enough that the swamp is alive and well.
Posted by rooster108bm
Member since Nov 2010
2890 posts
Posted on 3/27/20 at 11:30 am to
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Unless 1/5 of the quorum demand a recorded or yeah/nay vote, a simple anonymous voice vote is all you get.


Then how is one man stopping this?
Posted by Indefatigable
Member since Jan 2019
26436 posts
Posted on 3/27/20 at 11:31 am to
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Then how is one man stopping this?


Any member can request a roll call vote after the voice vote, as I understand it. Which would require a quorum
Posted by Crimson1st
Birmingham, AL
Member since Nov 2010
20233 posts
Posted on 3/27/20 at 11:34 am to
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See you and your ilk are the problem.


Not at all...first my ilk are conservative.

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Demanding the government do something, doesn't matter what or if it's wrong, just do something


When the government wrecks the damned jobs they wrecked and are directly at fault for those jobs' destruction and the businesses they are shutting down, you damned right they need to do something in this case, and that something is to fix what they broke...especially when the Constitution requires the government provide for the common defense. Our economic vitality is directly tied into our common defense, internal and external.

This is NOT the same situation as some big government welfare handout to a bunch of non-producers. Sure some of them will benefit in the mix(and even their spending will still go back into the economy) but all in all this is to handle our country's economic survival in a time of crisis...big difference.
Posted by rooster108bm
Member since Nov 2010
2890 posts
Posted on 3/27/20 at 11:36 am to
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Any member can request a roll call vote after the voice vote, as I understand it. Which would require a quorum


10-4 that makes more sense than the articles made it sound.
Posted by AggieHank86
Texas
Member since Sep 2013
42941 posts
Posted on 3/27/20 at 11:38 am to
He is not stopping anything.

Unanimous consent is a means of avoiding any vote at all. By objecting to unanimous consent, he is forcing ONE of the four formal voting procedures.

The FIRST of those is a voice vote. If he is the ONLY one screaming “nay,” he cannot force the NEXT type of vote (e.g. a record vote).

BUT, once a quorum is present, he MIGHT get a record vote if he can convince 1/5 of the quorum to demand one.
Posted by GetCocky11
Calgary, AB
Member since Oct 2012
51296 posts
Posted on 3/27/20 at 11:38 am to
That is really bad for Massie. What a moron.
Posted by AggieHank86
Texas
Member since Sep 2013
42941 posts
Posted on 3/27/20 at 11:38 am to
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Any member can request a roll call vote after the voice vote, as I understand it. Which would require a quorum
No.

I linked the rule
Posted by Crimson1st
Birmingham, AL
Member since Nov 2010
20233 posts
Posted on 3/27/20 at 11:39 am to
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Where he will get the EXACT same result. All he is doing is forcing numerous people to travel to Washington at a time when we are told explicitly by the very same people NOT to travel and meet in groups. What he is forcing is unnecessary.


Very good point. Folks are not treating a lot of things like the crisis this has been turned into...
Posted by Indefatigable
Member since Jan 2019
26436 posts
Posted on 3/27/20 at 11:40 am to
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No.

I linked the rule


Then why is his name even being mentioned if he cannot force a roll call by himself?

If one member cannot force it, why do they have Reps driving into DC?
Posted by AggieHank86
Texas
Member since Sep 2013
42941 posts
Posted on 3/27/20 at 11:40 am to
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Any member can request a roll call vote after the voice vote, as I understand it. Which would require a quorum
10-4 that makes more sense than the articles made it sound.
Again ...

Posted by SSpaniel
Germantown
Member since Feb 2013
29658 posts
Posted on 3/27/20 at 11:40 am to
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BUT, once a quorum is present, he MIGHT get a record vote if he can convince 1/5 of the quorum to demand one.

No, he won't.
Posted by AggieHank86
Texas
Member since Sep 2013
42941 posts
Posted on 3/27/20 at 11:42 am to
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Then why is his name even being mentioned if he cannot force a roll call by himself?

If one member cannot force it, why do they have Reps driving into DC?
Perhaps he thinks he will get 1/5 support, if he can just get everyone in the room.
Posted by Tiger on the Rag
Cattle Gap Egypt
Member since Jan 2018
6835 posts
Posted on 3/27/20 at 11:42 am to
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That’s actually brutal




And thats how you deal with pricks like that!
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