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re: Trump just nuked Republican Congressman Thomas Massie out of orbit
Posted on 3/27/20 at 11:43 am to AggieHank86
Posted on 3/27/20 at 11:43 am to AggieHank86
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Perhaps he thinks he will get 1/5 support, if he can just get everyone in the room.
Once again, if he is not empowered to force a quorum on his own, why are they preparing for it? Who would force a roll call?
One nay vote in the voice vote does not automatically force it.
This post was edited on 3/27/20 at 11:44 am
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Posted on 3/27/20 at 11:44 am to AggieHank86
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Perhaps he thinks he will get 1/5 support, if he can just get everyone in the room.
How is getting everyone in the room if everybody else wants this passed?
The way you are explaining this nobody should pay him any mind.
Posted on 3/27/20 at 11:45 am to PEPE
Do these bums actually TRY to find ways to waste taxpayer money?
They should be given a Pin number to call in this stuff from home.
They should be given a Pin number to call in this stuff from home.
Posted on 3/27/20 at 11:46 am to Indefatigable
quote:Did you bother to read my link to the House Rule? It is not complex.
Indefatigable
He is not forcing “a quorum.”. He is forcing a formal vote.
Then they try to hold a vote. If no quorum shows up in DC, they cannot TAKE a vote.
If a quorum DOES make an appearance, they take a simple voice vote. If 1/5 of the present quorum WANTS one, they can then demand a record vote.
This post was edited on 3/27/20 at 11:50 am
Posted on 3/27/20 at 11:47 am to AggieHank86
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Did you bother to read my link to the House Rule? It is not complex.
Does anyone ever bother to read your links?
Posted on 3/27/20 at 11:48 am to AggieHank86
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Did you bother to read my link to the House Rule? It is not complex.
Yes.
But you are 100% wrong in saying that that any individual member cannot force a quorum to pass a bill. 100% wrong.
The House must have a quorum to pass legislation if any single member requests one. Otherwise, they can pass by voice vote or unanimous consent without having half the members present
This post was edited on 3/27/20 at 11:49 am
Posted on 3/27/20 at 11:50 am to SSpaniel
quote:If you did so, you would ask fewer stupid questions.
Does anyone ever bother to read your links?
Posted on 3/27/20 at 11:52 am to AggieHank86
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If you did so, you would ask fewer stupid questions.
I very much doubt it. If you haven't noticed, I'm REALLY good as asking stupid questions.
Posted on 3/27/20 at 11:52 am to AggieHank86
If I were Massie, I would fall in line ONLY if Pelosi justified on camera her rationale for every line of pork.
Otherwise, these motherfrickers can fly back to DC and follow the rules.
Otherwise, these motherfrickers can fly back to DC and follow the rules.
Posted on 3/27/20 at 11:53 am to AggieHank86
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He is not forcing “a quorum.”. He is forcing a formal vote.
He can force a roll call, which requires a quorum. Hence why as many representatives as possible return to DC.
Whether or not that quorum necessarily has to actually formally vote, or can choose to then conduct a voice vote is a distinction without a difference in this case.
The point is that he's just causing it to be delayed and have everyone go back to DC for absolutely zero reason
This post was edited on 3/27/20 at 11:55 am
Posted on 3/27/20 at 12:01 pm to Indefatigable
quote:NO.
He can force a roll call, which requires a quorum. Hence why as many representatives as possible return to DC.
He can force a formal vote by objecting to unanimous consent, AND that vote will take place ONLY if a quorum shows up in DC.
BUT the first vote is usually just a group voice vote. He CANNOT force a record (or “roll call”) vote UNLESS 1/5 of those present join him in demanding one.
This is a SIMPLE and unambiguous rule.
This post was edited on 3/27/20 at 12:03 pm
Posted on 3/27/20 at 12:02 pm to AggieHank86
quote:
quote:
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Any member can request a roll call vote after the voice vote, as I understand it. Which would require a quorum
10-4 that makes more sense than the articles made it sound.
Again ...
LINK
Each question to be decided on the floor is first put to a voice vote. Before the
final result of that vote is announced, any Member may demand a division vote or
seek an electronically recorded vote.
Seems like you are wrong.
Posted on 3/27/20 at 12:03 pm to The Boat
I love our President, but I am with Massie here. There is way too much crap in this bill. Trump should threaten a veto and demand a clean bill.
Posted on 3/27/20 at 12:06 pm to mtntiger
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but I am with Massie here. There is way too much crap in this bill. Trump should threaten a veto and demand a clean bill.
The contents of the bill are only a secondary concern. It's the politicians that want to pass this massive spending bill with tons of pork in it without putting their names on the record supporting or opposing it.
Bills like naming a post office is where unanimous consent could fly, not for a massive 2 trillion spending bill.
Posted on 3/27/20 at 12:09 pm to rooster108bm
quote:Again, no.
rooster108bm
A division vote requires each member to stand and be counted, so there IS a headcount in that instance, but there is NO official record of how each member voted.
In order to force an “electronically-recorded vote” (OR individual yeah/nay vote), 1/5 of the quorum present must demand such a vote.
I linked an official House site addressing this Rule. AGAIN
This post was edited on 3/27/20 at 12:11 pm
Posted on 3/27/20 at 12:09 pm to AggieHank86
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CANNOT force a record (or “roll call”) vote UNLESS 1/5 of those present join him in demanding one.
Wrong.
Posted on 3/27/20 at 12:10 pm to Sentrius
quote:Egg-fricking-zactly.
Bills like naming a post office is where unanimous consent could fly, not for a massive 2 trillion spending bill.
Posted on 3/27/20 at 12:11 pm to rooster108bm
quote:I can cite you to the Rule, but clearly I cannot teach you how to read it.
rooster108bm
Posted on 3/27/20 at 12:13 pm to Sentrius
If a bill like this is too unimportant to be of concern to all of those dumbasses that left town in anticipation of the vote, then I can find no cause for them to ever return to DC.
If they can't represent the interests of the people who put them there then they are not needed there ever again.
If they can't represent the interests of the people who put them there then they are not needed there ever again.
Posted on 3/27/20 at 12:26 pm to AggieHank86
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He CANNOT force a record (or “roll call”) vote UNLESS 1/5 of those present join him in demanding one.
I don't know what to tell you.
If the rule was as you portray it, there would not be any representatives rushing back to DC.
This post was edited on 3/27/20 at 12:30 pm
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