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re: Trump just can’t wave his wand and eliminate the department of education
Posted on 11/21/24 at 8:39 am to Trauma14
Posted on 11/21/24 at 8:39 am to Trauma14
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What do you mean everything he mentioned can be overcome? I have a son with a disability who is protected by the IDEA of 1972, Civil Rights Act of 1967 (504c), and many other laws that allow him a free and appropriate education.
When was the DOE created and how did the acts you mentioned exist before that?
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Posted on 11/21/24 at 8:40 am to Zoomie3390
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Trump just can’t wave his wand and eliminate the department of education
Is that the same wand Obama said Trump couldn’t wave and bring jobs back?
Posted on 11/21/24 at 8:49 am to Zoomie3390
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but it feels short sighted because there are federal laws on the books that protect students within department of educational programs- like students with special needs through the American Disabilities Act and also the Rehabilitation Act of 1973.
Umm.. why do you need the DOE to enforce the ADA and the Rehabilitation Act of 1973? If a state is violating those laws…. Who does the Department of Education call? Yep. The DOJ.
So they are essentially merely a useless middleman even in your example.
Posted on 11/21/24 at 9:09 am to Trauma14
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What do you mean everything he mentioned can be overcome? I have a son with a disability who is protected by the IDEA of 1972, Civil Rights Act of 1967 (504c), and many other laws that allow him a free and appropriate education.
And the Department of Education was established in 1980.
So did those laws just sit idle for years until the Department of Education was established? Or was it the jurisdiction of another department….. just as it would be if a state was violating either law?
Posted on 11/21/24 at 9:19 am to Zoomie3390
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Trump just can’t wave his wand and eliminate the department of education
Trump strikes me this time around as having a team with a plan.
No magic wand needed, I think they've figured out how it can be done.
If you pay close attention to what he's said, it involves moving the oversight to the state level.
Posted on 11/21/24 at 9:55 am to Zoomie3390
Can you tell me any what areas American students have better test scores now from when the DOE was established? Math? Science? English? Reading comprehension?
And Trump can certainly ask congress to pass the legislation needed to abolish it, or greatly reduce it. All that is needed are a couple hundred employees that allocate the federal dollars to each state.
The federal government does not have to be the one handling those students with protected status. There are numerous instances of the feds making a law and requiring the states to do the heavy lifting.
And Trump can certainly ask congress to pass the legislation needed to abolish it, or greatly reduce it. All that is needed are a couple hundred employees that allocate the federal dollars to each state.
The federal government does not have to be the one handling those students with protected status. There are numerous instances of the feds making a law and requiring the states to do the heavy lifting.
Posted on 11/21/24 at 10:08 am to CleverUserName
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And the Department of Education was established in 1980.
So did those laws just sit idle for years until the Department of Education was established? Or was it the jurisdiction of another department….. just as it would be if a state was violating either law?
Sorry, I don't think made my point clear. I have concerns some people think the Republicans should also get rid of federal protection laws too. I feel that is what that previous poster inferred.
The only point I'm trying to make is if we get rid of the DOE, we still need in place protection laws so kids don't get missed or harmed by the removal of the DOE. That's all. We don't need to forget about them or remove them.
I think Bush's No Child Left Behind Act was great. We just need some mechanism to enforce fed laws at the State level.
ETA: I don't think it's a terrible idea for the DOE to be just a groups of teachers and lawyers, like 10 people, who just sue States when they don't implement fed protection laws. Lean and quick. Let States control curriculum, fed provide funding, and an overseeing eye makes sure they don't leave a child behind and all kids get a good education.
This post was edited on 11/21/24 at 10:11 am
Posted on 11/21/24 at 10:25 am to Trauma14
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The only point I'm trying to make is if we get rid of the DOE, we still need in place protection laws so kids don't get missed or harmed by the removal of the DOE. That's all. We don't need to forget about them or remove them.
You’re thinking small. We should get rid of all funding and “protection” for “kids”. Our children are too important to fund their education with government $$.
Posted on 11/21/24 at 10:30 am to Zoomie3390
According to usaspending.gov we spend BILLIONS in the DOE.
2018 113.13B
2019 137.16B
2020 262.61B
2021 497.10B
2022 637.70B my God
2023 274.36B
2024 241.66B
For me, not digging in to this too much, corrupt teachers unions, corrupt biden / harris administration and the BILLIONS that administration dumped into the DOE.
I can see why the new DOGE plans on busting that arse right out the gate.
2018 113.13B
2019 137.16B
2020 262.61B
2021 497.10B
2022 637.70B my God
2023 274.36B
2024 241.66B
For me, not digging in to this too much, corrupt teachers unions, corrupt biden / harris administration and the BILLIONS that administration dumped into the DOE.
I can see why the new DOGE plans on busting that arse right out the gate.
Posted on 11/21/24 at 10:32 am to Zoomie3390
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I find
Who gives a rats arse?
Nothing is easy, but ut will be done. Magic wand or chainsaw dick...it will happen
Posted on 11/21/24 at 1:29 pm to TigerAllNightLong
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You’re thinking small. We should get rid of all funding and “protection” for “kids”. Our children are too important to fund their education with government $$.
I'm not thinking too small at all. I'm thinking high level, 30,000 foot view. Remember Covid? The terrible decisions some states made closing schools down. Some kids still haven't recovered from those atrocious decisions. IMO, there are some good laws in place now that our federal government should have some oversight to prevent kids being harmed by radical decisions. Protection laws, you can quotation them all you want, are real and needed.
I just want to make sure the states don't harm the disadvantaged. I've seen it many times. We as conservatives are for the individual, but our schooling decision seems to focus on the collective. Kids fall through the cracks. The DOE has done a terrible job, I just want to the States to do better. If we don't focus correctly, it could get worse.
Posted on 11/21/24 at 1:34 pm to Zoomie3390
I hope he does. Education needs to return to academics and not social engineering, pandering and holding kids back. I know a teacher who spends her days handling kids who shouldn’t be in a regular classroom to the detriment of those kids can learn. Something needs to be done. I saw a spelling bee on TV recently. Every single child in that final was foreign, English speaking. Not good.
Posted on 11/21/24 at 1:36 pm to ShinerHorns
Not gonna happen dude. Best thing people can do is get their kids out of the system and homeschool. The criminal government is not gonna police the criminal government
This post was edited on 11/21/24 at 1:37 pm
Posted on 11/21/24 at 1:36 pm to Zoomie3390
What happens when people believe too much in the President.
They believe the President can do whatever miraculous thing he wants to make their lives better ... in this case, Trump.
or
They believe the President can completely frick their lives up ... for many people here, they give Biden this power. And the skyscreamers think Trump will frick up their life.
The truth is neither.
What a President can do is completely outlined and has limits. Trump won't make a conservative utopia and he won't destroy the country either. Just like any other President.
You can tell people never paid attention in civics class
They believe the President can do whatever miraculous thing he wants to make their lives better ... in this case, Trump.
or
They believe the President can completely frick their lives up ... for many people here, they give Biden this power. And the skyscreamers think Trump will frick up their life.
The truth is neither.
What a President can do is completely outlined and has limits. Trump won't make a conservative utopia and he won't destroy the country either. Just like any other President.
You can tell people never paid attention in civics class
Posted on 11/21/24 at 1:41 pm to Zoomie3390
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Trump just can’t wave his wand
This has been said before and he accomplished it without said wand.
Posted on 11/21/24 at 1:56 pm to Trauma14
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I just want to make sure the states don't harm the disadvantaged.
Who the fuc made you god? Just go away.
Posted on 11/21/24 at 2:00 pm to TigerCat33
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2021 497.10B
2022 637.70B my God
2023 274.36B
2024 241.66B
To put this in perspective Toyota and Shell are both around $300B in total annual revenue.
In 2022 the DOE spent around what WalMart and Amazon make annually in Revenue.
That’s ridiculous for the DOE.
Posted on 11/21/24 at 2:38 pm to SquatchDawg
It was obviously a payoff from the dems through the DOE. I’m sure the new DOGE knows an awful lot about that jump in financial gain and that’s why they’re in the cross hairs.
Posted on 11/21/24 at 2:48 pm to Zoomie3390
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because there are federal laws on the books that protect students within department of educational programs-
Yeah, and Title IX protected female students...until suddenly it didn't.
This post was edited on 11/21/24 at 2:51 pm
Posted on 11/21/24 at 3:16 pm to Zoomie3390
Fine don't eliminate it. Just reduce funding by 90%.
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