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re: Trump Is Galvanizing His Original Support

Posted on 7/19/17 at 9:37 am to
Posted by DeltaDoc
The Delta
Member since Jan 2008
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Posted on 7/19/17 at 9:37 am to
That's possible.
Posted by skrayper
21-0 Asterisk Drive
Member since Nov 2012
31069 posts
Posted on 7/19/17 at 9:48 am to
quote:

Hopefully this will result in better GOP Senators in some places.


Here's the problem with that.

If a focus is made to oust sitting Republican senators for new Republican senators, then the hope is that it had better work - because if not, then the longstanding tradition of a sitting president getting their party's automatic bid may very well be in jeopardy.

The division in the Republican party (establishment vs Trump) is dangerously close to fracturing the party as a whole, much more so than the Tea Party ever did.

Honestly, you have three factions:
Establishment Republicans - guys who have been around for a while, and those coming in who want a seat at the same table. Run with an R by their name, but Conservative only on social issues. Don't mind big government at all, so long as the "big" is where they want it.

Trump Republicans - brand new to having a power base in DC, looking to make changes and reduce the government. Still have a few "big" areas, less socially conservative but more fiscally so. Stronger appeal to millenials than establishment base.

Libertarian/Tea Party Conservatives - grouped together, though differ typically on social issues but are even more focused on smaller government than the previous 2. Generally want smaller government across the board, and a greater focus on state and local powers being the primary focus of daily life laws and statutes instead of being at the federal level.

If the Republican party fractures too severely, then the Democrats will probably win by default - unless one of the new entities takes a vast majority of the Republican base.

The biggest issue is that Trump isn't really a "uniter" of his own party, even if the opinion is unpopular. While I do not disagree that there is a certain level of need of his tough negotiation tactics, this is Washington, not a business deal - it's not a "one and done" deal, as the people he deals with will be right back there again tomorrow, and they will remember if he tried to force his desires onto their projects previously.
Posted by AUbused
Member since Dec 2013
7785 posts
Posted on 7/19/17 at 9:53 am to
The reason Trump failed at healthcare is because he never gave a shite about it to begin with. It was just a means to an end to get into his wheelhouse which is taxes and infrastructure.
Posted by white beans
Member since Sep 2009
5646 posts
Posted on 7/19/17 at 10:14 am to
This is what challenging the uni-party establishment looks like, everyone should see the calculated dysfunction for what it is and vote accordingly.
Posted by Hawkeye95
Member since Dec 2013
20293 posts
Posted on 7/19/17 at 10:34 am to
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I could write a post too long to read, D, naming Trump's Policy advancements in comparison to ANY other POTUS elected in the Republican Stable.

Can I get 5 achievements?

W had a pretty big tax cut by this point in his presidency.

Posted by Hawkeye95
Member since Dec 2013
20293 posts
Posted on 7/19/17 at 10:34 am to
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It was just a means to an end to get into his wheelhouse which is taxes and infrastructure.




Can I get a link to detailed tax and infrastructure plans?
Posted by Champagne
Already Conquered USA.
Member since Oct 2007
48703 posts
Posted on 7/19/17 at 10:38 am to
Good.

His base is all he has now. It's all he will have. It is all that he EVER had.

The GOP hates Donald Trump, the Oafish Orange Reformist Outsider.
Posted by AUbused
Member since Dec 2013
7785 posts
Posted on 7/19/17 at 10:47 am to
Do you have a napkin? Ill write it down for you.
Posted by BestBanker
Member since Nov 2011
17564 posts
Posted on 7/19/17 at 10:50 am to
Your OP is concise, salient and extremely well thought out. Good stuff.

Posted by Sid in Lakeshore
Member since Oct 2008
41956 posts
Posted on 7/19/17 at 10:55 am to
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Do you have a napkin? Ill write it down for you.



He better, he continues to bleed all over the board.
Posted by bonhoeffer45
Member since Jul 2016
4367 posts
Posted on 7/19/17 at 10:59 am to
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To put it simply, he cannot force the vote of the Senate republicans. Trump's base realizes this and the media/DEM/GOP finger pointing and blaming of Trump will not resonate.





Posted by redneck hippie
Stillwater
Member since Dec 2008
5632 posts
Posted on 7/19/17 at 11:02 am to


trump vs trump on redit is hilarious.
Posted by Hawkeye95
Member since Dec 2013
20293 posts
Posted on 7/19/17 at 11:03 am to
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