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Trump is destroying China’s economy

Posted on 7/28/19 at 7:01 am
Posted by Lsujacket66
Member since Dec 2010
4793 posts
Posted on 7/28/19 at 7:01 am
A year into the trade war with Washington, more than 50 global companies, including Apple and Nintendo, have announced or are considering plans to move production out of China, Nikkei research has found.

And not just foreign companies. Chinese manufacturers, as well as those from the U.S., Japan and Taiwan, are part of the drain, including makers of personal computers, smartphones and other electronics.

Concern over the situation is growing among political leaders. China's State Council decided in May to set up a group to lead employment measures and plans to bolster job training programs using surplus funds from state insurance schemes.

The trade dispute is beginning to show up in flows of goods and capital. In the first five months of the year, exports from China to the U.S. fell 12% on the year in value terms, while those from India, Vietnam and Taiwan logged double-digit gains. Exports aimed at bypassing U.S. tariffs by disguising the origin of products may also be increasing.

Many companies, alarmed by the prospect of a prolonged trade conflict, are hedging their bets. While looking for alternative production sites for U.S.-bound goods, many will keep factories operating in China for the domestic Chinese market. Thus, many manufacturers will be forced to set up dual supply chains: one for China and one for other markets, raising their costs and denting profits.

"The possibility of the world market dividing into China and non-China is growing," said Yuji Miura, a senior economist at the Japan Research Institute. "Decoupling" -- that is an unwinding of economic ties between the U.S. and China and a division of the world economy into hostile blocs -- is a real possibility.


Having a China and Non China world Market would probably be the equivalent of winning WW3 without firing a single bullet

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Posted by More&Les
Member since Nov 2012
14684 posts
Posted on 7/28/19 at 7:17 am to
The damage is done and China can't unring the bell, the longer it goes the worse it will be for them but they have already lost the dominant role they had as the main foriegn supplier to the west. Taiwan, Vietnam, Korea, Indonesia all have gained manufacturing as well as the US and frankly, US production is the biggest winner.

Trump has set us back on the dominant economic track and China's economic power will be a footnote in history
Posted by Lsujacket66
Member since Dec 2010
4793 posts
Posted on 7/28/19 at 7:20 am to
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The damage is done and China can't unring the bell, the longer it goes the worse it will be for them but they have already lost the dominant role they had as the main foriegn supplier to the west. Taiwan, Vietnam, Korea, Indonesia all have gained manufacturing as well as the US and frankly, US production is the biggest winner.

Trump has set us back on the dominant economic track and China's economic power will be a footnote in history


What its really done is given companies and political leaders the courage to finally accept China as a rogue state and divest and move elsewhere. Isolating China is good for the world.
Posted by trinidadtiger
Member since Jun 2017
13423 posts
Posted on 7/28/19 at 7:21 am to
Remember June is when the 25% tariffs kicked in, the full effect of the tariffs will be felt in the next few months. Wisely they were enacted in short fashion before suppliers could load up.

But no worries chini says their economy is growing 6.2% and unemployment has not missed a lick. (Monty Python and flesh wounds come to mind).
Posted by LSU Patrick
Member since Jan 2009
73512 posts
Posted on 7/28/19 at 7:21 am to
He did what he said he would.
Posted by OleWarSkuleAlum
Huntsville, AL
Member since Dec 2013
10293 posts
Posted on 7/28/19 at 7:22 am to
IBChinaman and 90ChineseProof ain’t gonna like this
Posted by beebefootballfan
Member since Mar 2011
19034 posts
Posted on 7/28/19 at 7:30 am to
IBADumbass won’t be happy about this. He loves communism.
Posted by Crimson Wraith
Member since Jan 2014
24796 posts
Posted on 7/28/19 at 7:30 am to
Mess with the bull, get the horns.
Posted by Wtxtiger
Gonzales la
Member since Feb 2011
7257 posts
Posted on 7/28/19 at 8:41 am to
China is building 6 aircraft carriers. The only thing that is for is to intimidate countries like The Philippines and Vietnam. They are building subs like crazy and who knows how many nukes they have. They have been saying they have 300 nukes for 20 years.

China is using their industrial spying to gain military technology and are using the belt and road program to build naval bases to re-supply their ships.

China is in a NAZI Germany style military buildup now as we speak. We must stop them before they get too big to stop. They will be the end of us.

Only a fool does not see China for the threat they are.
Posted by Capital Cajun
Over Yonder
Member since Aug 2007
5525 posts
Posted on 7/28/19 at 9:36 am to
I’m in construction and most of the product manufacturing is already moving out of China to other Asian countries and Mexico.

China also has a demographics problem coming as their birth policies have pushed them into a shrinking “working age” issue.
Posted by BurningHeart
Member since Jan 2017
9521 posts
Posted on 7/28/19 at 9:42 am to
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Only a fool does not see China for the threat they are.



^ this

China is likely not trying to conquer by military force, but they are trying to form a stranglehold over basic manufacturing and divesting itself across the world to exert influence on other country's economies when needed.

Narrow sighted people will complain about tariffs slowing the economy in the short term, but fail to see the long term game China is playing.
Posted by Sunbeam
Member since Dec 2016
2612 posts
Posted on 7/28/19 at 9:45 am to
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China is building 6 aircraft carriers. The only thing that is for is to intimidate countries like The Philippines and Vietnam. They are building subs like crazy and who knows how many nukes they have. They have been saying they have 300 nukes for 20 years.



The sub thing is what's really scary. As you said though the only use for those carriers is to intimidate countries like the Philipines.
Posted by Gaspergou202
Metairie, LA
Member since Jun 2016
13499 posts
Posted on 7/28/19 at 10:00 am to
China has a history of making poor decisions.

The US handed them the gold ring, and they grasped it! However it’s now time to grow and compete in the normal way without all the prior huge advantages.

But China thought that Trump would cave like all past American presidents. And it appears that they now think they will win with Trump’s defeat in 2020. In the next 16 months China will suffer massive harm, and Trump’s re-election will make the US completely dominant in 5he relationship with a guaranteed 4+ more years of Trump.

It’s not that America is better than China. It’s because America is China’s customer, and the customer is always right, and the customer can find a new supplier easier than the supplier can find a new customer.

If China remains intransigent its boom will relocate elsewhere, including America.
Posted by RockyMtnTigerWDE
War Damn Eagle Dad!
Member since Oct 2010
105415 posts
Posted on 7/28/19 at 10:06 am to
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It’s because America is China’s customer, and the customer is always right


False, the customer is not always right, but they are the customer.
Posted by mizzoubuckeyeiowa
Member since Nov 2015
35548 posts
Posted on 7/28/19 at 10:14 am to
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Isolating China is good for the world.


Member that time the West isolated Japan with sanctions and no trade?

I member.



China's not going to take to kindly to being isolated.

Historically trade wars lead to real wars if one side feels cut-off or decimated.

China was dominating the market and no US leader was challenging the status quo among American companies selling out over there.

It's worth the gamble to isolate China, they have a history and DNA for it but so did Japan before they decided to take matters into their own hands.
Posted by antibarner
Member since Oct 2009
23727 posts
Posted on 7/28/19 at 10:16 am to
China's arrogance is their weakness and their undoing. It did not have to be this way.

They could have played fair, and gotten what they wanted. But they wanted it all, NOW.

Now, they are going to pay for their greed and stupidity. It could not happen to a nicer bunch.
This post was edited on 7/28/19 at 10:18 am
Posted by Gaspergou202
Metairie, LA
Member since Jun 2016
13499 posts
Posted on 7/28/19 at 10:17 am to
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False, the customer is not always right, but they are the customer.

Technically true, but the “wrong” customer takes all the “right” money to your competitors. This can lead to the “right” company “wrongly” having to file for bankruptcy.

Best to KISS, and proceed with the “customer is always right” philosophy!
Posted by CDawson
Louisiana
Member since Dec 2017
16420 posts
Posted on 7/28/19 at 10:17 am to
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they are trying to form a stranglehold over basic manufacturing


This and add it to monetary value manipulation and they are single handedly shutting down manufacturing chains across the world. The goal for China is simple, make the world dependent on their supply to weaken and control everything else.

It’s working magnificently until Trump.
Posted by WeeWee
Member since Aug 2012
40139 posts
Posted on 7/28/19 at 10:17 am to
But IBFreeman and his talking points from the Chamber of Cucks swore that the opposite will happen.
Posted by goatmilker
Castle Anthrax
Member since Feb 2009
64384 posts
Posted on 7/28/19 at 10:20 am to
He is waiting to open up his special delivery fortune cookie from abroad to see what he says next.
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