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re: Trump in tweet Says media did this to sabotage his election
Posted on 3/26/20 at 4:08 am to KingwoodLsuFan
Posted on 3/26/20 at 4:08 am to KingwoodLsuFan
Well it's certainly not great. They spend 9% of their GDP on health care which is below avg for OECD countries and about half if our 16.9%.
Also, their hospitalization rate for the China virus is much higher than ours meaning their system will become overwhelmed much easier.
Lastly, Italy is the very worst case scenario on the planet right now. Why does everyone immediately jump to Italy and not Germany? It's strange.
Nothing in the US data suggests we're trending towards Italy. It's only people who are fearmongering and hoping for the worst case scenario because OMB.
And that's the China virus hoax in a nut shell.
Also, their hospitalization rate for the China virus is much higher than ours meaning their system will become overwhelmed much easier.
Lastly, Italy is the very worst case scenario on the planet right now. Why does everyone immediately jump to Italy and not Germany? It's strange.
Nothing in the US data suggests we're trending towards Italy. It's only people who are fearmongering and hoping for the worst case scenario because OMB.
And that's the China virus hoax in a nut shell.
This post was edited on 3/26/20 at 4:13 am
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Posted on 3/26/20 at 4:16 am to Barstools
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Except we have good healthcare and only 1.4% of Americans die versus 10% of Italians. So in reality it wouldnt be nearly as bad as Italy. If we're being completely honest.
Part of that is to do with age demographics
And part of it is our system hasn't really seen this thing at the peak yet.
Yes we do have better care here but it will be interesting to see what the numbers look like when things start to peak. First week of April could tell us a lot.
Posted on 3/26/20 at 5:01 am to Barstools
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Except we have good healthcare and only 1.4% of Americans die versus 10% of Italians. So in reality it wouldnt be nearly as bad as Italy. If we're being completely honest.
For clarification sake, you're saying we should shrug off 4.6 million deaths and keep rolling since it's not 33 million?
Posted on 3/26/20 at 5:07 am to Seeing Grey
It might also be fool's gold to think that we'll stay at 1.4%
The majority of our known cases are still in the treatment phase. Certainly at least some of those people will die
Latest numbers say we have 68,573 confirmed cases with 1,036 deaths and 428 survivors.
That means we have 67,109 unknowns. From what I understand the overwhelming majority of those are mild cases but you can be certain of the 67,109 there will be more deaths.
The majority of our known cases are still in the treatment phase. Certainly at least some of those people will die
Latest numbers say we have 68,573 confirmed cases with 1,036 deaths and 428 survivors.
That means we have 67,109 unknowns. From what I understand the overwhelming majority of those are mild cases but you can be certain of the 67,109 there will be more deaths.
Posted on 3/26/20 at 5:24 am to KingwoodLsuFan
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Fox news and conservative news networks would be doing the same thing if Obama was in office.
H1N1 hit hard in 2009. I don’t remember conservative outlets losing their shite over it like the lib outlets are now.
Posted on 3/26/20 at 5:40 am to highbooost
quote:Can you read?
Trump in tweet Says media did this to sabotage his election
Posted on 3/26/20 at 5:43 am to Volsfan82169
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H1N1 hit hard in 2009. I don’t remember conservative outlets losing their shite over it like the lib outlets are now.
2009 wasn't an election year for starters
And H1N1 likely doesn't have the same destructive force as this virus. While we didn't have a viable vaccine at least some of the population had developed antibodies from previous flus that could counteract it.
No vaccine has ever been created for a coronavirus because the symptoms were typically mild.
This strain has lethal symptoms and spreads quickly.
Posted on 3/26/20 at 5:44 am to Seeing Grey
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For clarification sake, you're saying we should shrug off 4.6 million
You know how to save all of them?
Do tell
Posted on 3/26/20 at 5:45 am to ShortyRob
You can't save all of them. But you can save more of them, a lot more of them by not overwhelming the system.
Posted on 3/26/20 at 5:50 am to Powerman
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k. First week of April could tell us a lot.
Funny, I was told repeatedly “wait till next week”. Last week. Yet it’s next week and things haven’t really changed.
Are the sky screamers and scared rabbits gonna keep moving the timelines? Cause now you’re sayin week 1 of April is the date we really see how bad it is.
Posted on 3/26/20 at 5:50 am to Powerman
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can't save all of them. But you can save more of them, a lot more of them by not overwhelming the system
I know this
But when one is deciding if the cost of train wrecking the economy is worth it, the total number is irrelevant
Only the number one can save doing it is relevant.
So no one is shrugging off the total.
Posted on 3/26/20 at 5:52 am to tigerinthebueche
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Funny, I was told repeatedly “wait till next week”. Last week.
You may want to look how much things have escalated in the last week.
Do you think they've remained unchanged?
Posted on 3/26/20 at 5:53 am to Powerman
I would also like to point out that I am completely over people who think that the mortality rate should be applied to 100% of the population
The freaking disease isn't going to have a 100% infection rate.
The freaking disease isn't going to have a 100% infection rate.
Posted on 3/26/20 at 5:56 am to Powerman
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Part of that is to do with age demographics
Check out this graph. Scroll down a little to the graph where the red and yellow columns are. Check out far right column. Shows number of deaths per one million people in that country. The U.S. has three deaths per million people. Italy, 124. Damn.
LINK
Posted on 3/26/20 at 5:57 am to tigerinthebueche
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Funny, I was told repeatedly “wait till next week”. Last week. Yet it’s next week and things haven’t really changed.
Are the sky screamers and scared rabbits gonna keep moving the timelines? Cause now you’re sayin week 1 of April is the date we really see how bad it is.
Nothing changed at all from last week. Nothing at all. There is no trend at all to be concerned with.
Everything is just peachy and we have nothing to worry about at all.
Posted on 3/26/20 at 6:01 am to ShortyRob
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I would also like to point out that I am completely over people who think that the mortality rate should be applied to 100% of the population
The freaking disease isn't going to have a 100% infection rate.
Yeah that's a bit silly which is why the 3.4 million number or whatever the guy threw out didn't really make much sense.
It could have a 50% infection rate or greater if we just simply ignored it (which we obviously aren't doing)
Posted on 3/26/20 at 6:02 am to Powerman
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Everything is just peachy and we have nothing to worry about at all.
There's plenty to worry about. in the grand scheme of things the world plus coronavirus is worse than the world without coronavirus buy a fairly noticeable margin
The real question here is is the world plus coronavirus with a normal running economy worse then the world plus coronavirus with a train wreck economy.
Posted on 3/26/20 at 6:05 am to ShortyRob
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The real question here is is the world plus coronavirus with a normal running economy worse then the world plus coronavirus with a train wreck economy.
Correct
And since we're one of the last of the developed countries to experience mass infection we might be one of the last to come on line unfortunately
And given our exposure to the rest of the world I'm not sure what our economic ceiling would be if we went about life as usual and the rest of the world is handcuffed
Posted on 3/26/20 at 6:06 am to Powerman
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It could have a 50% infection rate or greater if we just simply ignored it (which we obviously aren't doing)
Now I get to be callous.
If we assume a 50% total infections in the US. And we assumed it kills 1.4% of those people which is probably very pessimistic.
And we pretend that our actions will actually cut the number by 25% who would die if we did nothing...... That yields and number of 630000 give or take
There is absolutely a point at which crushing the economy is not worth that number. And let's be honest. That was a highly pessimistic hypothetical in terms of total numbers in a highly optimistic hypothetical in terms of percentage saved
Posted on 3/26/20 at 6:07 am to Powerman
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And given our exposure to the rest of the world I'm not sure what our economic ceiling would be if we went about life as usual and the rest of the world is handcuffed
This is actually another great argument for why crushing the economy is silly. We are almost certainly going to see this virus again. We can't crush the economy every 12 to 18 months
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