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re: Trump in ‘04: ‘I probably identify more as Democrat’
Posted on 8/23/23 at 3:00 pm to PorkSammich
Posted on 8/23/23 at 3:00 pm to PorkSammich
Bill Clinton would be a conservative in today's climate. Just saying.
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Posted on 8/23/23 at 3:11 pm to PorkSammich
Reagan said similar things. And now 2 former DIMs are the greatest presidents in our lifetime
Its gonna be OK sweetie. We're here to get you thru this. Just follow closely as we make our way out
Its gonna be OK sweetie. We're here to get you thru this. Just follow closely as we make our way out
Posted on 8/23/23 at 3:52 pm to dgnx6
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Almost everyone who voted, voted for this because the people they voted for voted for this.
Because Trump pressured them to:
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The House & Senate should IMMEDIATELY Approve 25 Billion Dollars for Airline Payroll Support, & 135 Billion Dollars for Paycheck Protection Program for Small Business. Both of these will be fully paid for with unused funds from the Cares Act. Have this money. I will sign now!" the president tweeted.
Posted on 8/23/23 at 3:57 pm to PorkSammich
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Because Trump pressured them to:
Good lord. Could you be any more fricking disingenuous? Yeah, all the conservative stalwarts in Congress would have held firm and not allocated a dime to any of the stupid covid shite BUT FOR THAT WASKALLY OLE DEMOCRAT IN REPBLICAN CLOTHING, DRUMPF!!!
Posted on 8/23/23 at 4:13 pm to PorkSammich
Given baby Bush's presidency, if I wasn't a 19 year old dumbass in 2004, I probably would have identified more as a Democrat, too.
Posted on 8/23/23 at 4:17 pm to Y.A. Tittle
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Could you be any more fricking disingenuous?
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President Donald Trump pressured Congress to pass a coronavirus stimulus plan Saturday as his administration and congressional Democrats struggle to forge a relief deal.
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In a tweet sent as the president receives treatment for Covid-19 at Walter Reed Medical Center, the president wrote, "OUR GREAT USA WANTS & NEEDS STIMULUS."
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WORK TOGETHER AND GET IT DONE. Thank you!" he continued.
Posted on 8/23/23 at 4:18 pm to Madking
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Porksammich is his moms name. He’s Jr.
Posted on 8/23/23 at 4:20 pm to PorkSammich
Give me a Democrat 20 years ago who has seen the light vs. a lifelong Republican who continues to trust the GOPe all day every day.
Posted on 8/23/23 at 4:22 pm to moneyg
He can’t win votes!
Trump proceeds to get votes from left and independents so that now makes him a dem.
Ron can’t even get support from his own party when they claim this
Trump proceeds to get votes from left and independents so that now makes him a dem.
Ron can’t even get support from his own party when they claim this
Posted on 8/23/23 at 4:24 pm to momentoftruth87
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He can’t win votes!
Trump proceeds to get votes from left and independents so that now makes him a dem.
Ron can’t even get support from his own party when they claim this
No lie, Desantis supporters have concluded that the majority of Republicans are actually democrats.
That's how they have rationalized Desantis not getting the support.
Posted on 8/23/23 at 4:25 pm to moneyg
Or maybe the really aren’t part of the right when the majority of the right wants trump.
Posted on 8/23/23 at 4:34 pm to PorkSammich
A 2004 Democrat who hasn't shifted would now be a crazy right winger by the current crazy crowd that makes up the democratic party.
Posted on 8/23/23 at 4:36 pm to moneyg
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No lie, Desantis supporters have concluded that the majority of Republicans are actually democrats.
I wouldn't go that far. Probably fair to say a lot of DeSantis supporters have been reminded that a lot of Republicans are substantially less conservative than they are.
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That's how they have rationalized Desantis not getting the support.
Well, to be fair - isn't that accurate? If you were a dyed in the wool conservative, wouldn't you be supporting the far more conservative and successful governor of Florida over the liberal Republican former POTUS who spent like a Democrat and turned the country over to deep state bureaucrats when he was told to in 2020?
Posted on 8/23/23 at 4:38 pm to momentoftruth87
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Or maybe the really aren’t part of the right when the majority of the right wants trump.
Okay. If MAGA is considered Right, then I suppose DeSantis supporters should be considered the Far Right. That would make Biden a Centrist and Bernie and Elizabeth a little liberal.
Posted on 8/23/23 at 4:51 pm to David_DJS
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I wouldn't go that far.
That's good to know that you aren't insane. quote:
Probably fair to say a lot of DeSantis supporters have been reminded that a lot of Republicans are substantially less conservative than they are.
The Republican party has never been a party of identical people. That hasn't changed.
I don't think the distinguishing characteristic of Desantis supporters vs. other Republican voters is conservatism. I think it's a prioritization of what's important.
In a nutshell, non Desantis voters believe fighting the ruling class / administrative state / uniparty is priority 1. From what I can tell, Desantis supporters believe conservatism is priority 1.
Obviously, there is overlap. There's plenty of non-Desantis supporters that are extremely far right (I'm one). And, I've heard from Desantis supporters that they support the fight against the administrative state etc.
From my perspective, the idea that given the existential nature of our problems, choosing a candidate based on how conservative he campaigns seems archaic. Like many things related to the Desantis campaign, it reminds me of how things used to be in 2000.
Posted on 8/23/23 at 4:52 pm to David_DJS
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That would make Biden a Centrist
wow
Posted on 8/23/23 at 5:11 pm to moneyg
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The Republican party has never been a party of identical people. That hasn't changed.
No one thinks the Republican party has ever been tens of millions with uniform principles/ideas.
The Republican party has gotten more liberal. That's consistent with the move left that's taken place nationwide. It's posted in these threads all the time that Kennedy would be considered right of Center today.
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In a nutshell, non Desantis voters believe fighting the ruling class / administrative state / uniparty is priority 1. From what I can tell, Desantis supporters believe conservatism is priority 1.
I don't think this is it at all. I'd put it this way -
DeSantis supporters don't believe the way you fight the ruling class/administrative state/uniparty is by boosting funding for the administrative state and giving more power to the ruling class. And, in practice (as opposed to rhetoric), Trump supporters apparently believe the opposite.
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From my perspective, the idea that given the existential nature of our problems, choosing a candidate based on how conservative he campaigns seems archaic
Well, it's just your rationalization for supporting a guy that can't give the establishment enough money/power that has you believing RDS supporters made that choice based on conservatism. It's just a bonus with DeSantis that he's also the more conservative option.
This post was edited on 8/23/23 at 5:14 pm
Posted on 8/23/23 at 5:47 pm to momentoftruth87
Or maybe core Trump supporters are mislabeled as "right" or conservative. They should more accurately describe themselves as nihilists.
Posted on 8/23/23 at 5:49 pm to PorkSammich
The Bots are melting like Frosty
Posted on 8/23/23 at 5:55 pm to Paddyshack
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How was the economy under Trump?
It was going so great we had 3 rate cuts the last 5 months of 2019, in attempt to ward of stagflation. Do y'all really not remember this?
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