re: Trump: "I did post it, and I thought it was me as a doctor, and had to do with Red Cross”

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Right. And as you said, you do not know his heart.

And as I said, you should have just left it at that. Because he does do good works. And since you cannot know his heart, you do not know where those deeds flow from.

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Christians love Christ. Love for Christ is shown for love of God and love of neighbor. Love for God is manifested by loving what He loves and hating what He hates, including your own sin. Hatred of sin leads to repentance of sin. I don't see that Trump repents of sin. He has even made statements about not needing forgiveness, which is not something a Christian says.

Again, not knowing the heart doesn't mean we can't judge actions, and Trump does not speak or act as a Christian, even if he does some good things. Unbelievers can do good things, too.

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Again, not knowing the heart doesn't mean we can't judge actions, and Trump does not speak or act as a Christian, even if he does some good things.

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Well this is another thing we will just have to disagree on. I could bring in loads of examples of Trump loving his neighbor. Even speaking to asking God for forgiveness of his sins. Although admittedly he says he doesn't do this much because he lives an honorable life and if he makes a mistake he strives to make it better.

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Well this is another thing we will just have to disagree on.

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I guess so. I see the fruit of a conceited man who shows no grace to others. Who is vulgar and blasphemes God's name regularly. He doesn't keep the Lord's Day, or even go to church except on rare occasions, meaning he doesn't sit under the means of grace to feed his soul regularly. He is outspoken about everything in his life, but doesn't proclaim glory to God and to Jesus Christ. He is mean-spirited and vindictive, not forgiving his enemies but seeking to destroy them (and I don't just mean enemy nations, but political rivals).

I could go on and on.

I'm not saying he or any professing Christian must be perfect and sinless; no one is that way this side of Heaven. But, what I'm saying is that born-again Christians show some basic fruits of the spirit (Gal. 5) and exhibit a love for Christ and for neighbor that makes it obvious that a person does belong to Jesus. I was a big Trump fan for his first term, and voted for him again in 2020. I watched almost all of his campaign speeches, state of the union addresses, and other public appearances he attended, and he rarely says anything that would differentiate him for a typical atheist politician that may invoke God's name for pandering purposes.

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None of the outraged posters in this thread have touched an Eric Swalwell thread.

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Yep. Funny how that works, isn't it?

frickin posers.

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given how you are explaining the man, to a T, i might add, and knowing that he as literally ALWAYS been this way, so this is nothing new for him, i guess i just will never understand how born again Christians could willingly choose a more Godless person than Trump to support politically...

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I supported him because of the lesser of two evils mentality that most go along with.

A couple years ago, I started considering my political stance in light to my commitment to Christ. I realized that while I knew the Bible taught that we should seek to be godly leaders in the home, and look for godly leaders in the church, that I wasn’t looking for or caring too much about supporting godly leaders in government, though I should.

I became convicted that my vote was my endorsement, and that I couldn’t endorse someone who blasphemed Christ and brought reproach to His name any longer. I didn’t vote for Trump in 2024 because of this.

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as someone who grew up in the church, had a grandfather who was a Southern Baptist pastor, has parents that are still faithful believers, i know what i was taught to place importance in when considering someone to lead, and Trump is so antithetical to that, that outside of pure power and greed, i have no idea how Christianity ever embraced this one politician the way they have Trump...

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I’m glad you realized that early on, and am ashamed that I didn’t do so sooner.

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I supported him because of the lesser of two evils mentality that most go along with.

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how was he the lesser of 2 evils when there were 19 Republicans vying for the primary in 2016? was there truly NO ONE else that more closely aligned with what Christianity supposedly stands for? was there not one other candidate that, looking back, they could and should have chosen rather than Trump, to support?

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as someone who grew up in the church, had a grandfather who was a Southern Baptist pastor, has parents that are still faithful believers

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And you are?

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as i am not religious at all any longer

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Ah there it is

The atheist is here to preach morality everyone! As he will not touch a Swalwell thread with a 10 foot pole

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The atheist

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not an atheist... your dismissive nature won't allow you to see it any other way, and i get that, as i understand that religious belief is a very multifaceted topic that requires discernment, and i don't really expect that to be exhibited in a place like the PoliBoard, if we're being honest

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preach morality

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in your own words, how am i "preaching morality"?

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he will not touch a Swalwell thread with a 10 foot pole

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you should have checked my post history, from as recent as about an hour ago, about my feelings about Swalwell, before you showed your arse with this statement

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Trump: "I did post it, and I thought it was me as a doctor, and had to do with Red Cross”

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I voted for Trump and am glad he’s president instead of Biden or Harris (or pretty much any Democrat nowadays), but I think it was poor picture to post. It’s easy to interpret it as religious in nature, and I’m not convinced that wasn’t the intention instead of the doctor and Red Cross shite. Very narcissistic any way you slice it, in my opinion.

That said. I’m not losing any sleep over it.