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re: Trump Fans Excited To Vote For The Guy Who Fast-Tracked Vaccines And Hired Fauci
Posted on 1/23/22 at 2:57 pm to Flats
Posted on 1/23/22 at 2:57 pm to Flats
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Was there a federally mandated lockdown or do you just have tds? I honestly don’t remember one.
Everyone that thinks Trump shite the bed on Covid doesn’t have TDS.
Trump shite the bed on Covid. He was a disaster on the virus, and what’s unfortunate is he acted in a manner counter to his intuition. He made clear in public comments the he didn’t want to let the “cure be worse than the disease” and he very clearly did not want the virus to Impede his remarkable economy. But he ended up taking the knee for the media and Dem politicians. And while you’re right that the lockdowns were state/local, Trump funded it all so he gets blame for them, too.
You can accept this reality and be a big time Trump supporter at the same time. Particularly when the opposition is a cabal of retarded Leftists that hate our country and are led by a dementia patient that’s also a child molester.
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Posted on 1/23/22 at 3:07 pm to David_DJS
Trump had the same choice as Odysseus...
Damned if you do, and Damned if you dont.
Choose the path of going along, letting the Fed Gov't "save" as many citzens as possible from a virus of unknown origin with the best, current advise possible from the current "experts".
Or choose to call their bluff, whether the storm of cataclysmically bad media blaming every single death on Trump. While he would deny the lethality of the virus. My God, I can only imagine what types of stories and levels of BS the country would have had to deal with. It was really impossible to go against the machine on this one.
Sometimes history/fate can be a real bitch...
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For on one side lay Scylla and on the other divine Charybdis
Damned if you do, and Damned if you dont.
Choose the path of going along, letting the Fed Gov't "save" as many citzens as possible from a virus of unknown origin with the best, current advise possible from the current "experts".
Or choose to call their bluff, whether the storm of cataclysmically bad media blaming every single death on Trump. While he would deny the lethality of the virus. My God, I can only imagine what types of stories and levels of BS the country would have had to deal with. It was really impossible to go against the machine on this one.
Sometimes history/fate can be a real bitch...
Posted on 1/23/22 at 3:08 pm to David_DJS
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Everyone that thinks Trump shite the bed on Covid doesn’t have TDS.
Asking whether federally mandated lockdowns were real or a figment of someone’s imagination doesn’t make one a Trump apologist. I think there are valid reasons to criticize him and I have, but it’s for things that are real. If someone is blaming him for federal mandates that didn’t actually exist then tds isn’t an unreasonable diagnosis.
Posted on 1/23/22 at 3:09 pm to El Magnifico
Faucci has held his position long before Trump came around
Posted on 1/23/22 at 3:09 pm to ScottFowler
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Or choose to call their bluff, whether the storm of cataclysmically bad media blaming every single death on Trump. While he would deny the lethality of the virus. My God, I can only imagine what types of stories and levels of BS the country would have had to deal with.
That’s why you do the right thing. Maybe it would have cost him the election still, but it was the right thing to do, and he didn’t do it.
Posted on 1/23/22 at 3:16 pm to Flats
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Asking whether federally mandated lockdowns were real or a figment of someone’s imagination doesn’t make one a Trump apologist.
Yes, they were local action but where did all the money come from to keep everyone home, receiving UberEats deliveries and watching Netflix?
Remember Trump bucks? PPP? The unemployment benefits that doubled a lot of household incomes? All the billions funneled to hospitals? The Covid bullshite would have stopped inside of 3 months if the federal government hadn’t flooded the country with Covid dollars. That’s on Trump.
Posted on 1/23/22 at 3:17 pm to David_DJS
It’s completely acceptable that reasonable minds could disagree on the definition of “the right thing” in these matters. For me, “the right thing” here as President means doing the thing that’s best for the most amount of people possible, under the circumstances. Including both Left and Right. Which can sometimes necessitate angering some various segments who would rather a very hard or harsh stance that benefits less people.
Posted on 1/23/22 at 3:20 pm to WhiskeyBusiness
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Would you rather have Covid AND record inflation, bare shelves, foreign wars (I mean incursions,) crazy mandates, etc.
Don’t forget arming the Taliban with a military arsenal….
Posted on 1/23/22 at 3:21 pm to davyjones
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For me, “the right thing” here as President means doing the thing that’s best for the most amount of people possible, under the circumstances. Including both Left and Right. Which can sometimes necessitate angering some various segments who would rather a very hard or harsh stance that benefits less people.
Are you seriously arguing that the best thing for the majority of Americans was what we did?
Posted on 1/23/22 at 3:23 pm to Aubie Spr96
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The mental gymnastics that the Poli Board goes through to protect Trump on this issue is disgusting.
DeSantis set up checkpoints and banned people from the state of Louisiana from traveling to Florida.
Posted on 1/23/22 at 3:26 pm to El Magnifico
Folks this is why you can never let your guard down with the left. They’re evil and disingenuous. They have no intentions of ever coexisting and will patiently plot our demise for decades if they’re not eliminated.
You are the enemy in their eyes, not a fellow American.
They will stab you in the back the first chance they get,
You are the enemy in their eyes, not a fellow American.
They will stab you in the back the first chance they get,
This post was edited on 1/23/22 at 3:54 pm
Posted on 1/23/22 at 3:28 pm to David_DJS
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Remember Trump bucks?
Yes, and I’ve criticized him repeatedly for spending, and not just on Covid bs. That’s still not a federal lockdown. I live in Florida and the whole thing hasn’t hit us that hard, and if Trump was doing everything he’s accused of my life wouldn’t have been that different than someone living in Chicago. Criticize the guy for stuff that actually happened.
Posted on 1/23/22 at 3:28 pm to LSUAngelHere1
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Folks this is why you can never let your guard with the left. They’re evil and disingenuous. They have no intentions of ever coexisting and will patiently plot our demise for decades if they’re nit eliminated.
Is Babylon Bee “the left” now?
Posted on 1/23/22 at 3:29 pm to David_DJS
Meaning the decisions Trump made at the time, under those particular circumstances and without the benefit of hindsight? If so, without a doubt yes. I can understand why you take the position you’re taking even if I disagree, but if you are completely unwilling to understand mine, then this is a serious problem. I’ll say this, and this isn’t to cast aspersions because I fully direct it at myself too, but on a scale of 1 to 10 as far as very consciously identifying and taking into account ALL relevant factors on the ground at the particular time, most of us probably only reach a 4 or 5, leaving way too many factors to simply be ignored.
This post was edited on 1/23/22 at 3:31 pm
Posted on 1/23/22 at 3:31 pm to Y.A. Tittle
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Who was suggesting this was a bad idea at the time he was doing it?
I had no interest in taking it regardless if Trump was re-elected or not. It sounded like a bad idea from the beginning.
Posted on 1/23/22 at 3:34 pm to Flats
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Yes, and I’ve criticized him repeatedly for spending, and not just on Covid bs. That’s still not a federal lockdown. I live in Florida and the whole thing hasn’t hit us that hard, and if Trump was doing everything he’s accused of my life wouldn’t have been that different than someone living in Chicago. Criticize the guy for stuff that actually happened.
Question - if the federal gov’t hadn’t spent trillions in Covid mandates and lockdowns support, do you think leftist shitholes would have been able to do their bullshite mandates/lockdowns for more than a few weeks?
I hope your answer is the obviously correct one.
Now then - do you think it’s reasonable to lay a big part of the blame for the Covid lockdown and mandates support spending on Trump?
Posted on 1/23/22 at 3:40 pm to davyjones
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Meaning the decisions Trump made at the time, under those particular circumstances and without the benefit of hindsight? If so, without a doubt yes.
Then you need to stop informing yourself strictly though the media.
There were a lot of really smart and experienced people that knew it was insane to think you can hide from a wildly transmissible virus, and there were many more that knew no rational response included shutting down the economy, schools, etc.
Are you seriously admitting that you had no clue that “COVID” was far more political than public health from the very beginning? That’s fine if you are, but don’t make yourself feel better about being duped by imagining there weren’t a shitload of people who knew better.
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I can understand why you take the position you’re taking even if I disagree, but if you are completely unwilling to understand mine, then this is a serious problem.
It’s not about positions and opinions. It’s about right/wrong and correct/incorrect.
My position is you have the right to be wrong. That doesn’t mean you weren’t tragically wrong about Covid.
Posted on 1/23/22 at 3:48 pm to David_DJS
Remember, all of the ridiculous models at the time predicting millions of deaths. Trump had to take that seriously.
As Trump, You just can't discount those estimates as BS.
We, as the public can, but POTUS can not.
As Trump, You just can't discount those estimates as BS.
We, as the public can, but POTUS can not.
Posted on 1/23/22 at 3:50 pm to David_DJS
If you’re trying to convince me that on literal day 1 you concluded there was truly no outbreak of an unknown virus that did possibly have the potential to cause deaths at a frightening clip, that it was no doubt something way different than that possibility and in any event not a potentially dire situation; and that due to this day 1 (or whatever, week 1 if I’m being too melodramatic with “day 1”) conclusion set out above, you possessed a set of opinions on what to do or not do (I’m sure most of which would of course be completely opposite of Trump’s decisions), I’m sorry but it’s even just too hard to believe.
**And nope, my own viewpoints didn’t and don’t have much to do with any media, I’m most trusting of my own intuition and common sense. Yes even not being anywhere near an expert in the area.
**And nope, my own viewpoints didn’t and don’t have much to do with any media, I’m most trusting of my own intuition and common sense. Yes even not being anywhere near an expert in the area.
This post was edited on 1/23/22 at 3:55 pm
Posted on 1/23/22 at 3:54 pm to ScottFowler
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As Trump, You just can't discount those estimates as BS.
We, as the public can, but POTUS can not.
So POTUS has to act on any bullshite put in front of him? No. You’re elected to be not that dumb or persuadable.
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