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Posted on 11/27/25 at 11:52 pm to hawgfaninc
If Trump truly wants to do something about the national debt, make Congress only able to return for consecutive terms, as long as debt is lowered. If it goes up, all Congressional leaders lose their seat.
Posted on 11/27/25 at 11:56 pm to Taxing Authority
quote:Trying to explain math to some of these guys is like trying to explain that their dads aren’t actually off climbing the Himalayas. You’re not saying he belongs in prison. You’re not saying you want him in prison. You’re not even saying he isn’t a mountain climber. You’re just pointing out that the story they really want and need to be true has nothing to do with the world we live in.
To fund the government on Bessent's claim? No... that would need $5 Trillion in cuts. And a full on default on federal debt.
I’d love no income tax too, but the reality is you cannot pay for even the military (which they want deployed across the country), border enforcement (which I think they're still supporting as of today), and basic infrastructure on 200 billion. The current bill for just those three is almost 2 trillion, which exceeds tariff revenue by orders of magnitude.
If we want to get back in shape, spending has to come down before revenue does. That used to be a conservative idea. Now saying it apparently makes you a liberal.
Posted on 11/28/25 at 12:00 am to northshorebamaman
Posted on 11/28/25 at 12:08 am to shoelessjoe
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You're correct about the underlying issue. The omission of Congressional term limits in the Constitution is one of its biggest flaws.
It's regrettable the founders didn't notice this conflict in interest.
quote:That would require a constitutional amendment voted on by the same Congress.
If Trump truly wants to do something about the national debt, make Congress only able to return for consecutive terms, as long as debt is lowered. If it goes up, all Congressional leaders lose their seat.
You're correct about the underlying issue. The omission of Congressional term limits in the Constitution is one of its biggest flaws.
It's regrettable the founders didn't notice this conflict in interest.
Posted on 11/28/25 at 12:44 am to kilo
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They were financially better off during Covid.
During Covid we had to furlow a certain number of employees. I have 6 partners in my department. Was told I had to reduce by 2. 3 of them worked remotely in other towns so I kept them. Furlowed 2 of the 3 at my location. The one I kept was pissed at me because they could have been at home making about the same money from the Covid checks and not having to work. I had kept her because she had been my most dependable and productive partner up until then. Covid really fricked this country over.
Posted on 11/28/25 at 6:39 am to LegendInMyMind
Cut out all the wasteful shite like billions to Ukraine and take care of your own first. shite you’d even get 2 grand and wouldn’t give it back. Thats the mentality of the left
Posted on 11/28/25 at 7:03 am to hawgfaninc
Eliminate the IRS and end the millions of refundable tax credits.
No more EITC, no more child tax credit, just eliminating that might save trillions.
No more EITC, no more child tax credit, just eliminating that might save trillions.
This post was edited on 11/28/25 at 7:14 am
Posted on 11/28/25 at 8:14 am to Taxing Authority
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To fund the government on Bessent's claim? No... that would need $5 Trillion in cuts. And a full on default on federal debt.
Nothing can stop what is coming. If Trump can end wars, he can do this. And the federal debt is based on fraud so it doesn’t really count.
Never mind the simple fact that this will require congressional action, yet we have a very narrow majority and will likely lose it in the Fall.
Never mind the fact that tariffs would have to INCREASE to something like 80-100% to replace the income tax, but that assumes imports will remain at current levels, which they won’t.
I can’t tell if people are really this gullible or just frickin stupid, but it is apparent that Trumps internal polling about tariffs must be really bad. That’s the only explanation as to why this idea of “tariffs give us all this awesome stuff” PR blitz is being floated and then echoed all of the idiots on social media as a viable plan.
Posted on 11/28/25 at 8:41 am to hawgfaninc
This is basic Trump negotiating:
A) propose the extreme, settle for less
B) he knows damn well he can't do diddly squat with the tax code. Only Congress.
C) lot's talk about eliciting responses from Trump... lol, it's SOP for him to do this just to make the stupid responses flow from the opposition (and it doesn't matter what letter is behind the name).
And this is all 'marketing' anyway. Wanna know how I know that?
Let's pretend Trump's tariffs worked perfectly in a theoretical universe. In that universe everything we buy now is manufactured in the USA. Now, tariff income goes to zero and jobs/wages soar. We'd be fricked; it would be a self-defeating plan.
A) propose the extreme, settle for less
B) he knows damn well he can't do diddly squat with the tax code. Only Congress.
C) lot's talk about eliciting responses from Trump... lol, it's SOP for him to do this just to make the stupid responses flow from the opposition (and it doesn't matter what letter is behind the name).
And this is all 'marketing' anyway. Wanna know how I know that?
Let's pretend Trump's tariffs worked perfectly in a theoretical universe. In that universe everything we buy now is manufactured in the USA. Now, tariff income goes to zero and jobs/wages soar. We'd be fricked; it would be a self-defeating plan.
This post was edited on 11/28/25 at 8:45 am
Posted on 11/28/25 at 8:47 am to northshorebamaman
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It's regrettable the founders didn't notice this conflict in interest.
They couldn’t have fathomed members of Congress being the status they are today as a career.
Posted on 11/28/25 at 8:49 am to I20goon
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And this is all 'marketing' anyway.
Millions of his loyalists truly believe they are getting 2k stimulus checks and tax cuts.
This "marketing" scheme isnt working, if you truly believe thats all it is.
Posted on 11/28/25 at 8:59 am to Ten Bears
quote:
I can’t tell if people are really this gullible or just frickin stupid, but it is apparent that Trumps internal polling about tariffs must be really bad. That’s the only explanation as to why this idea of “tariffs give us all this awesome stuff” PR blitz is being floated and then echoed all of the idiots on social media as a viable plan.
Another reason is the upcoming Supreme Court case that could void all the tariffs and even force a refund
Populist Trump is trying to influence public against the courts decision by promising free shite from the tariffs and be like "Sorry, we already spent it all! Cant get it back" and "Supreme Corut blocked Americans from $2000 checks" .. nevermind the fact tariffs havent even collected enough to afford those checks in the first place
LINK
$90 billion will be refunded by the federal government if the Supreme Court rules that Trump doesn't have the power to impose these tariffs. That money is supposed to go back to the importers who directly pay for those tariffs, but consumer watchdogs think there may be pathways for consumers to reclaim some of that money – we’ll just have to see the court’s specific ruling.
If the income cut-off for these checks is $100,000, then 150 million adults will qualify, amounting to $300 billion in tariff dividends, according to a tweet from Erica York, the vice president of federal tax policy at the Tax Foundation. But Trump’s new tariffs have only raised about $120 billion, York wrote.
* $195 billion in tariff revenue. the article is wrong
This post was edited on 11/28/25 at 9:00 am
Posted on 11/28/25 at 9:03 am to RogerTheShrubber
quote:I agree. And yes, it is all marketing.
Millions of his loyalists truly believe they are getting 2k stimulus checks and tax cuts.
This "marketing" scheme isnt working, if you truly believe thats all it is.
I also agree it isn't working. Trump is making the same mistake Biden made insomuch as he is 'arguing' with public perception about prices.
You can't argue it. Politically, you have to 'empathize' and follow up with actions. Trump has taken some actions (e.g. Argentine beef) but they still talk about how they have lowered prices where it is A) specific sectors, not broad and B) doesn't matter - perception of reality.
You can't 'argue' with a voting politic's perception. It will either come across as denial of their reality or just lying.
I agree- this is the wrong or ineffective marketing. It is coming across as denying the voting publics reality.
Posted on 11/28/25 at 9:04 am to I20goon
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In that universe everything we buy now is manufactured in the USA. Now, tariff income goes to zero and jobs/wages soar. We'd be fricked; it would be a self-defeating plan.
But you're looking at this logically, and MAGA isn't bound by logic when it comes to tariffs. Or pretty much anything else Trump says on a given day.
Posted on 11/28/25 at 9:07 am to I20goon
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You can't 'argue' with a voting politic's perception
But it is very easy to manipulate. We're in an era where fairy tales have trumped honesty.
The BLM bullshite, for example
This post was edited on 11/28/25 at 9:08 am
Posted on 11/28/25 at 9:14 am to Taxing Authority
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Hell we're about to be spending more on debt interest than the entire DoD.
Not an argument, but if you have time, start looking at what's coming as we transition to digital currencies and all of the aspects of valuing and devaluing, etc
A huge chunk of what we know as debt will be absorbed (in a way) and basically disappear.
I'll try and find materials that I've gone thru in the past.
Its not easy, but seems a plan is in place
Posted on 11/28/25 at 9:39 am to RogerTheShrubber
quote:true. But that is manipulation. Often in the form of confirmation bias.
The BLM bullshite, for example
For example, if one had told the people who bought into the BLM bullshite that they were wrong and they needed to pivot. That would be arguing.
The ones who manipulated it by agreeing and then proceeded to use it as a scam did not argue 'the feels', they just used it.
quote:we always have been. Except now there is too many sources of information to compare. We went from lies, but just one source (media), that many believed as having no alternative.
We're in an era where fairy tales have trumped honesty.
Now we have many lies, no one knows what to believe. As is human nature, they still pick one. You have to believe one is the common mindset.
Posted on 11/28/25 at 9:42 am to LegendInMyMind
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We can't send out the $2,000 checks, but we can afford to cut all income taxes?
What’s funny about this is the people telling you this are the ones saying we can afford all this other stuff.
We can afford it.
Posted on 11/28/25 at 9:44 am to hawgfaninc
Another empty promise
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