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re: Trump backs push for Bible classes in schools
Posted on 2/3/19 at 8:20 am to DisplacedBuckeye
Posted on 2/3/19 at 8:20 am to DisplacedBuckeye
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The further we have moved from religious nonsense, the more we have improved as a society. Religion can be useful when dealing with ignorant masses, but as some religions continue to show it can be dangerous, too
As an atheist I'm not sure that it's completely accurate to say we're moving away from religion. I mean I get the point but it seems to me we're just shifting religions.
Dogmatic beliefs that are repeated absent direct evidence or really any evidence at all in many cases seem as common as ever to me.
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Posted on 2/3/19 at 8:24 am to DisplacedBuckeye
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The further we have moved from religious nonsense, the more we have improved as a society.
It all depends on how one charaterizes improved.
I wouldn't say our public discourse has improved.
I wouldn't say our civility to one another has improved.
I wouldn't say our education system has improved.
I wouldn't say our manners has improved.
I wouldn't say our respect for elders has improved.
I wouldn't say our respect for authority figures has improved.
I wouldn't say our dependence on pharmaceutical drugs has improved.
I wouldn't say our political climate has improved.
I wouldn't say our divorce rate has improved.
I wouldn't say or race relations have improved.........
It all depends on what you call, improved.
This post was edited on 2/3/19 at 9:39 am
Posted on 2/3/19 at 8:32 am to TOKEN
I’m a practicing Catholic. Why does society rely on schools to do everything? What are parents held responsible for anymore?
Posted on 2/3/19 at 8:32 am to TOKEN
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The problem is Christianity/ Bible is being selected as the book of reference. If a State was bringing the Koran into the classsroms
Funny you should mention that—the Tenants of Islam are already being taught in Tennessee public school and has been for several years. Somehow this is not violating church and state and the aclu doesn’t care. Maybe Trump is just fighting for equal time?
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This post was edited on 2/3/19 at 8:36 am
Posted on 2/3/19 at 8:33 am to 4cubbies
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Why does society rely on government to do everything?
FIFY
Posted on 2/3/19 at 8:33 am to Revelator
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I wouldn't say
I don't care about this.
Posted on 2/3/19 at 8:34 am to TOKEN
Muh, U.S. Constitution.
Posted on 2/3/19 at 8:36 am to ShortyRob
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Dogmatic beliefs that are repeated absent direct evidence or really any evidence at all in many cases seem as common as ever to me.
Sure, only now they don't have a god giving them absolute authority. It isn't perfect, but it's an improvement. I don't know that we'll ever get to a point where people are strong enough to live without religion, but we can still get closer.
Posted on 2/3/19 at 8:39 am to DisplacedBuckeye
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Sure, only now they don't have a god giving them absolute authority.
again as an atheist this is a distinction without a difference to me because I don't think God is driving the other dogmatic beliefs.
To me in both cases it's simply a case of people thinking their ideas are superior because of who they are.
And as to my own personal experience I have to be honest when I say that I feel very confident if you grabbed 10 random religious people in 10 random non-religious people that the former is much kinder and directly caring towards fellow man in the latter.
Honestly most atheists I've ever met are assholes about it. It's why I constantly finding myself having to tell me I'm not one of "those" atheists
This post was edited on 2/3/19 at 8:44 am
Posted on 2/3/19 at 8:42 am to DisplacedBuckeye
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I don't care about this.
Well at least you admit that your characterization was purely subjective.
Posted on 2/3/19 at 8:43 am to ShortyRob
You're saying the same thing I'm saying without outright saying it. 
People are ignorant and some need religion to be better people.
People are ignorant and some need religion to be better people.
Posted on 2/3/19 at 8:43 am to DisplacedBuckeye
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You're saying the same thing I'm saying without outright saying it.
That's probably because I'm not overtly disagreeing with you. Just looking at it from a slightly different angle really
Posted on 2/3/19 at 8:44 am to Revelator
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Well at least you admit that your characterization was purely subjective.
I've never claimed otherwise.
I like to leave the bullshite claims of objective morality to you folks.
Posted on 2/3/19 at 8:45 am to ShortyRob
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Just looking at it from a slightly different angle really
Not really. I just make no apologies for being an a-hole.
Posted on 2/3/19 at 8:46 am to DisplacedBuckeye
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I like to leave the bull shite claims of objective morality to you folks.
Touché
Posted on 2/3/19 at 8:59 am to bigbowe80
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Funny you should mention that—the Tenants of Islam are already being taught in Tennessee public school and has been for several years. Somehow this is not violating church and state and the aclu doesn’t care. Maybe Trump is just fighting for equal time?
That is a common core standard. Same thing in GA. As a Catholic I have no problem with it, as the spread of Islam helped shape the middle east, Africa and Asia, which is what 7th graders are studying.
The issue I have is that history basically begins with Colonialism. Kids do not learn about Romans, Greek, Eqyptians or even places like Mesopotamia. It is a travesty that history is so eurocentric/Colonialism based and does not focus on Ancient civilizations. Of course most kids in 7th and 8th grade couldn't point out where Kanasas, Idaho, of Mississippi is.
Posted on 2/3/19 at 9:04 am to Blueprint
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must turn back to God. This is an outstanding idea.
there's only the one divine consciousness.
The idea or concept that God is a father, and apart from us and judging us, is control mythology.
Posted on 2/3/19 at 9:14 am to Old Hellen Yeller
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I have a problem with public funds being used to teach bible study in public schools.
How about public funds being used for violent sports that are known to cause brain injuries and suicide later in life?
Posted on 2/3/19 at 9:15 am to TOKEN
Religion has no place in government and government has no place in religion.
Posted on 2/3/19 at 9:20 am to TOKEN
A black hole in our public education is the lack of religious history taught.
People should not be scared of teaching actual human history. And it should cover it all. The good the bad the ugly the fringe and the established.
People should not be scared of teaching actual human history. And it should cover it all. The good the bad the ugly the fringe and the established.
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