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re: Trump appoints leading vaccine skeptic as head of vaccine safety panel

Posted on 1/11/17 at 2:43 pm to
Posted by STEVED00
Member since May 2007
23072 posts
Posted on 1/11/17 at 2:43 pm to
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Please stop arguing that we should kill children - it's unbecoming.


More fire and brimstone. Got it everybody gonna die if we dive deeper into vaccine safety.
Posted by BamaAtl
South of North
Member since Dec 2009
22253 posts
Posted on 1/11/17 at 2:46 pm to
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if we dive deeper into vaccine safety.


We already have a robust system for ensuring vaccine safety. Your lack of awareness of it and disinterest in learning more doesn't make it any weaker.
Posted by bamafan1001
Member since Jun 2011
15783 posts
Posted on 1/11/17 at 2:48 pm to
You must have a very very low IQ
Posted by zatetic
Member since Nov 2015
5677 posts
Posted on 1/11/17 at 2:54 pm to
I believe it is heavy metals poisoning, specifically mercury poisoning. The vaccines could be fine but they sometimes put bad things in the vaccines that are not necessary that do cause problems. I'm not anti vaccine, vaccines can be fine, I'm just against the extras they are throwing in them.

Further, it is good to have a skeptic overlook this sort of thing. You're thinking is inline with trusting the tobacco company's medical reports.

The following article has links to all the medical studies.
https://www.activistpost.com/2013/09/22-medical-studies-that-show-vaccines.html

giving the Hepatitis B vaccine to newborn baby boys could triple the risk of developing an autism spectrum disorder

aluminum, a highly neurotoxic metal and the most commonly used vaccine adjuvant may be a significant contributing factor to the rising prevalence of ASD

They determined that the higher the proportion of children receiving recommended vaccinations, the higher the prevalence of autism

ASD patients have a heightened sensitivity to thimerosal

The study determined that autism could be a result from an atypical measles infection that produces neurological symptoms in some children. The source of this virus could be a variant of MV, or it could be the MMR vaccine.

Autism is likely triggered by a virus, and that measles virus (MV and/or MMR vaccine) might be a very good candidate

oxidative stress and decreased capacity for methylation may contribute to the development and clinical manifestation of autism... metals, including those found in many vaccines are directly involved in increasing oxidative stress

Researchers determined that a significant relation does exist between the blood levels of mercury and the diagnosis of an autism spectrum disorder.

for each 1,000 Ib of environmentally released mercury, there was a 43% increase in the rate of special education services and a 61% increase in the rate of autism

Evidence for mercury intoxication should be considered in the differential diagnosis as contributing to some regressive ASDs

persistent low-dose exposures to various environmental toxicants including mercury, that occur during critical windows of neural development among genetically susceptible children, may increase the risk for developmental disorders such as autism

Posted by buckeye_vol
Member since Jul 2014
35373 posts
Posted on 1/11/17 at 2:55 pm to
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Autism is likely triggered by a virus,
Huh? Again, why wouldn't we have seen an increase in even more pervasive disorders, like Intellectual Disabilities if this was the case?
This post was edited on 1/11/17 at 2:56 pm
Posted by zatetic
Member since Nov 2015
5677 posts
Posted on 1/11/17 at 2:58 pm to
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Why wouldn't we have seen an increase


Autism is increasing.
Posted by buckeye_vol
Member since Jul 2014
35373 posts
Posted on 1/11/17 at 3:01 pm to
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Autism is increasing.
But I'm saying that something which broadly impacts the brain, should lead to the increase of something that is even more pervasive. ID has more consistent diagnostic criteria and is more psychometric quantifiable, yet rates aren't increasing.
This post was edited on 1/11/17 at 3:03 pm
Posted by BamaAtl
South of North
Member since Dec 2009
22253 posts
Posted on 1/11/17 at 3:06 pm to
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I believe it is heavy metals poisoning, specifically mercury poisoning.


You don't get mercury poisoning from the minuscule amount of ethyl mercury present in some vaccines. It doesn't bioaccumulate.

You'd be well-served to read this systematic review of the safety of routine childhood vaccinations from 2014.

It's really not that hard. Autism is newly-defined, with a recently widened definition and a subjective diagnosis. You don't need to use life-saving vaccines as a bogey man to explain why reported incidence rates of autism have gone up.
Posted by zatetic
Member since Nov 2015
5677 posts
Posted on 1/11/17 at 3:10 pm to
It says in that study that

"We found evidence that some vaccines are associated with serious AEs"

Did you even read that study? It shows all sorts of shite that vaccines cause.
This post was edited on 1/11/17 at 3:14 pm
Posted by LSUTANGERINE
Baton Rouge and Northshore LA
Member since Sep 2006
38025 posts
Posted on 1/11/17 at 3:30 pm to
It's also much easier to diagnose nowadays.
This post was edited on 1/11/17 at 3:34 pm
Posted by buckeye_vol
Member since Jul 2014
35373 posts
Posted on 1/11/17 at 4:44 pm to
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It says in that study that
One of those studies, Empirical Data Confirm Autism Symptoms Related to Aluminum and Acetaminophen Exposure, done by computer scientists is just absolutely terrible. They don't even seem to understand what Austism is, not to mention the terrible analysis that followed.
Posted by SDVTiger
Cabo San Lucas
Member since Nov 2011
94242 posts
Posted on 1/11/17 at 4:49 pm to
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We have recently had (and likely currently have) measles outbreaks linked directly to vaccine deniers that have led to the deaths of children.


Posted by Big Scrub TX
Member since Dec 2013
38522 posts
Posted on 1/11/17 at 4:53 pm to
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She received nearly $3 million dollars
I don't think that's accurate. Anyway, she asked for $20K originally to cover medical expenses and missed work for her daughter. That just cannot be described as golddigging.
Posted by BamaAtl
South of North
Member since Dec 2009
22253 posts
Posted on 1/11/17 at 5:09 pm to
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"We found evidence that some vaccines are associated with serious AEs"


And they are, in a small number of cases. Hence VAERS and the injury compensation program.

The alternative, however, is many magnitudes worse. You'd prefer your child to die rather than have a minuscule risk of an adverse event?
Posted by CorporateTiger
Member since Aug 2014
10700 posts
Posted on 1/11/17 at 5:11 pm to
At this point, trying to reason with zaccine deniers is a waste of time.
Posted by BamaAtl
South of North
Member since Dec 2009
22253 posts
Posted on 1/12/17 at 8:14 am to
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At this point, trying to reason with zaccine deniers is a waste of time.


Trump, a vaccine denier, just put another vaccine denier in charge of some nominal post that may have a say on vaccines.

Best not to ignore their ignorance, but to correct it.
Posted by BBONDS25
Member since Mar 2008
57332 posts
Posted on 1/12/17 at 8:15 am to
Ok. Go ahead and correct it.
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