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Posted on 5/4/26 at 8:27 pm
Posted by Jef75
Ponchatoula, LA
Member since Jul 2009
134 posts
Posted on 5/4/26 at 8:27 pm
It seems to me that Trump is trying to give the Iranians time to sort out a surrender that doesn't require civilization ending casualties, otherwise they wouldn't have electricity.
It's crazy that people in this world don't care that tens of thousands of regular people will die if he's not patient, which they accuse of him of not being. The left, Europe, the weak right are trying to tempt him into being the thing they insist he is. Same bunch that are disappointed/betrayed he didn't go deep against nuclear-powered Russia.

Are we supposed to pretend that's not what's happening?
Posted by demtigers73
Member since Aug 2014
6079 posts
Posted on 5/4/26 at 8:30 pm to
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trying to give the Iranians time to sort out a surrender


Problem is they will never surrender.

They will let everyone die before they surrender.
Posted by Indefatigable
Member since Jan 2019
37199 posts
Posted on 5/4/26 at 8:34 pm to
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It's crazy that people in this world don't care that tens of thousands of regular people will die if he's not patient, which they accuse of him of not being.

I don’t give a shite what happens to the Iranian people. Or the Lebanese, or Gazans, or Israeli’s for that matter.
Posted by DyeHardDylan
Member since Nov 2011
9689 posts
Posted on 5/4/26 at 8:34 pm to
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Are we supposed to pretend that's not what's happening?


Whatever helps you sleep at night. The reality is that the regime in Iran and in Israel are in no hurry to end this, and Trump is desperately exploring all exit options because Bibi played him into bearing the brunt of the war and there is zero appetite in this country for another long term Middle East conflict. We’ve already spent $25B on this, and that’s probably a lower end number coming from the Pentagon. Now he’s stuck.
This post was edited on 5/4/26 at 8:37 pm
Posted by LSUbest
Coastal Plain
Member since Aug 2007
16363 posts
Posted on 5/4/26 at 8:37 pm to
The IRGC fights for Allah
Allah fights for the IRGC
If they surrender Allah is a loser and no God.

And everyone realizes that their dead family members aren't in paradise with 72 goats.

How would that go down?
Posted by CharlesUFarley
Daphne, AL
Member since Jan 2022
1094 posts
Posted on 5/4/26 at 8:37 pm to
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Problem is they will never surrender. They will let everyone die before they surrender.


But when those people realize they are going to die, they will turn on the people who won't surrender.

I hope that the military has a plan for another round of kinetic operations that will change some thinking over there. I would make the next phase the eradication of the IRGC. That is the enforcement arm. I am sure it is already diminished, but now we should set our phasers on "exterminate".
Posted by Indefatigable
Member since Jan 2019
37199 posts
Posted on 5/4/26 at 8:39 pm to
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But when those people realize they are going to die, they will turn on the people who won't surrender.

No one anywhere thinks we’re going to start bombing civilians or consistently target civilian infrastructure.

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would make the next phase the eradication of the IRGC. That is the enforcement arm. I am sure it is already diminished, but now we should set our phasers on "exterminate".

Yea I’m pretty positive that was on the menu the first time. The reality on the ground there makes it impossible. You quite literally cannot kill them all.
Posted by LegendInMyMind
Member since Apr 2019
75078 posts
Posted on 5/4/26 at 8:42 pm to
Donald is in a position where all the easy options are gone. The bombing is easy. Implementing a blockade of Iranian ports is easy. Talking tough at the negotiating table and on social media is easy.

Now, all that is left — assuming they want to accomplish the goals they've stated — is making hard choices.
Posted by demtigers73
Member since Aug 2014
6079 posts
Posted on 5/4/26 at 8:43 pm to
Destroy Kharg Island and hit every strategic target left on the list.

Declare victory and leave.

JMO
Posted by DustInTheWind
Member since Sep 2016
885 posts
Posted on 5/4/26 at 8:44 pm to
Do you know what they would do to us if they could? frick them.
Posted by RCDfan1950
United States
Member since Feb 2007
39626 posts
Posted on 5/4/26 at 8:45 pm to
Respect for the good folk over there is far more important than flinching at the gadfly Libs and Panicans and blowing the whole Iranian infrastructure up for the next ten years. That young karate boy who was murdered for joining a protest for his people's freedom deserves more that, and all those tens of thousands who died for their families. If any of you were in their shoes, what would you want Trump to do?

Geez! Have some patience.
Posted by CharlesUFarley
Daphne, AL
Member since Jan 2022
1094 posts
Posted on 5/4/26 at 8:45 pm to
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No one anywhere thinks we’re going to start bombing civilians or consistently target civilian infrastructure.


I wasn't advocating an attack on civilians. I was thinking more along the lines that electricity and water and food and other essentials will soon be gone, and civilians will react to the realities they face.

Maybe they already have and thousands have been executed, and they are all just in survival mode now. I hear the stories, but what is really the truth?

Personally, I don't think there can be a negotiated peace with the regime. I think extermination is our only option. Otherwise, this just comes up again, and again, and again....

Edit: just to clarify, I don't mean extermination of the people, just all the bad elements who have been running the country.
This post was edited on 5/4/26 at 8:48 pm
Posted by Indefatigable
Member since Jan 2019
37199 posts
Posted on 5/4/26 at 8:49 pm to
There is no possible course of action that would prevent this from being an “over and over” again situation.
Posted by LSUbest
Coastal Plain
Member since Aug 2007
16363 posts
Posted on 5/4/26 at 8:53 pm to
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There is no possible course of action that would prevent this from being an “over and over” again situation


Oh yes there is.

But we can't do that.
Posted by CharlesUFarley
Daphne, AL
Member since Jan 2022
1094 posts
Posted on 5/4/26 at 8:54 pm to
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There is no possible course of action that would prevent this from being an “over and over” again situation.


I hear you, but some people probably said that about Japan in WW2.

Over and over again isn't new, we've been living in it since 1979.
Posted by Indefatigable
Member since Jan 2019
37199 posts
Posted on 5/4/26 at 8:55 pm to
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Oh yes there is. But we can't do that.

If you’re talking about a full scale invasion and occupation, I’m not sure whatsoever that we could handle that. We’re terrible at it, and Iran is ten times the challenge Iraq was, and maybe 1,000 times that of Afghanistan. Both failed miserably.



Can we easily beat them militarily? Yes. Can we eradicate every person there who wants to kill Americans? No. Can we totally destroy the extremist framework in that part of the world? Also no.
This post was edited on 5/4/26 at 8:57 pm
Posted by aTmTexas Dillo
East Texas Lake
Member since Sep 2018
23980 posts
Posted on 5/4/26 at 8:59 pm to
I think he is aware of a potential humanitarian disaster if we go all out. And the Mullahs and IRGC don't care about those people.
Posted by aTmTexas Dillo
East Texas Lake
Member since Sep 2018
23980 posts
Posted on 5/4/26 at 9:00 pm to
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I don’t give a shite what happens to the Iranian people. Or the Lebanese, or Gazans, or Israeli’s for that matter.


Of course you don't but I'm sure the Trump administration does.
Posted by LSUbest
Coastal Plain
Member since Aug 2007
16363 posts
Posted on 5/4/26 at 9:01 pm to
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Can we eradicate every person there who wants to kill Americans? No. Can we totally destroy the extremist framework in that part of the world? Also no.


But can we out crazy them?

We could.
Posted by BBONDS25
Member since Mar 2008
59452 posts
Posted on 5/4/26 at 9:04 pm to
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because Bibi played him into bearing the brunt of the war and there is zero appetite in this country for another long term Middle East conflict.


This is about China. Not Israel.
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