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re: Trump affirms US alliance to Saudi Arabia in striking new statement
Posted on 11/20/18 at 12:27 pm to tigerinDC09
Posted on 11/20/18 at 12:27 pm to tigerinDC09
Is he supposed to cut ties with any country that is responsible for the murder of one of it's own citizens?
Liberals are now isolationists?
Liberals are now isolationists?
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Posted on 11/20/18 at 12:27 pm to AbuTheMonkey
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This sort of leak would have never happened in the first place under a different President, for that matter.
This is EXACTLY why I do not trust the tape or the CIA's "assessment"... fricking political stunt at best...
Posted on 11/20/18 at 12:27 pm to tigerinDC09
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This is a slap in the face of the American Intelligence community and should not be taken lightly.
So you want him to fully confirm what our Intelligence community is gathering knowing that we really cant do anything about it.. How about we let the Intelligence community do what they do, use information to gain more information or would prefer if they assassinate the prince
Posted on 11/20/18 at 12:28 pm to AbuTheMonkey
Which is why this makes me think this is a power play by MBS. Trump has thrown his lot in with SA to counter Iran and SA can also nudge closer to Russia if the US does anything it doesn’t like.
I first thought it was wild and reckless by MBS, but now I think it’s dual-edged brilliant. Send a shot across the bow of the US and put a kibosh on domestic dissent.
I first thought it was wild and reckless by MBS, but now I think it’s dual-edged brilliant. Send a shot across the bow of the US and put a kibosh on domestic dissent.
Posted on 11/20/18 at 12:30 pm to upgrayedd
wmr put it well the other day - this Muh Kasoggi foolishness is the epitome of NPC.
Liberals like TBoy and the OP are mad about a foreign journalist being killed by his own government in the embassy of another government that has jailed hundreds of thousands of journalists and soldiers and killed thousands more
Liberals like TBoy and the OP are mad about a foreign journalist being killed by his own government in the embassy of another government that has jailed hundreds of thousands of journalists and soldiers and killed thousands more
Posted on 11/20/18 at 12:30 pm to Bard
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I don't know that there is a "good" move here.
Salman (and thus Saudi) are the bulwark against Iran (and thus Russia) running rampant through the region. Salman is also pushing more westernized societal reforms and has formally recognized Israel's right to exist.
Trump could demand Salman step down or cut off US military and commerical support to the country over the Khashoggi incident, while that might feel good for the short term it could well end up being a long-term loss.
There isn't a good move. There are just least bad moves. Same as it has always been for us in the Middle East.
There is mollifying Erdogan. There is protecting MBS. There is de-fanging an ally willing to counter-act the Iranian tear through the region. There is disruption in energy supply. There is tacitly agreeing to a closer Turkish-Iranian relationship. Etc. Etc. Lots of shitty options.
This post was edited on 11/20/18 at 12:32 pm
Posted on 11/20/18 at 12:31 pm to NIH
Square this with Gulen, please.
Posted on 11/20/18 at 12:32 pm to tigerinDC09
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It's not even completely about the reaction. It's now more about his refusal to accept the CIA's assessment.
Oh
You don’t think Trump knows what’s in it? Trump doesn’t care we got billions on the line plus the Saudis just flooded the market with oil which if continues could kill our economy. There are so many things you people don’t even think about including containing Iran. This is a bad part of the world and maybe the Saudis will give the press more freedom and human rights but it needs to be done without embarrassing the regime? They have already lost face internationally.
Recap:
Arms Deal
Containing Iran
Friend of Israel
Coalition of Egypt, Israel, Jordan and Saudi
Oil Supply
American Jobs
etc...
All this could be turned on it’s head while the Saudis fall into China’s hands. They been put on notice but let’s remember this is one journalist who isn’t worth the economic backlash that would result because of international pressure on us.
This post was edited on 11/20/18 at 12:39 pm
Posted on 11/20/18 at 12:32 pm to tigerinDC09
Top White House Official Involved in Saudi Sanctions Resigns
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WASHINGTON — A top White House official responsible for American policy toward Saudi Arabia resigned on Friday evening, a move that may suggest fractures inside the Trump administration over the response to the brutal killing of the dissident Jamal Khashoggi.
The official, Kirsten Fontenrose, had pushed for tough measures against the Saudi government, and had been in Riyadh to discuss a raft of sanctions that the American government imposed in recent days against those identified as responsible for the killing, according to two people familiar with the conversations. Specifically, she advocated that Saud al-Qahtani, a top adviser to Crown Prince Mohammed bin Salman, be added to the list, and he ultimately was.
Posted on 11/20/18 at 12:32 pm to TBoy
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We don't in any way condone what happened to Jamal Khashoggi and find it to be unacceptable.
from the article, Trump is quoted as saying in his statement:
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this is an unacceptable and horrible crime
Posted on 11/20/18 at 12:32 pm to boosiebadazz
Erdogan has killed and imprisonedthousands of journalists and scholars yet our media is concerned with this one guy. What is there to square away for you ?
Posted on 11/20/18 at 12:33 pm to tigerinDC09
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but it could very well be that the crown prince had knowledge of this tragic event — maybe he did and maybe he didn’t!" the president said.
"The United States intends to remain a steadfast partner of Saudi Arabia to ensure the interests of our country, Israel and all other partners in the region. It is our paramount goal to fully eliminate the threat of terrorism throughout the world!"
I dont think Trump has figured out that the Saudis were involved in 9/11
Posted on 11/20/18 at 12:33 pm to tigerinDC09
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He won't even listen to the tape.... How can anyone defend this as "America First"? You trash your own CIA?
Haspel should resign in protest.
Or she could resign for failing to keep her agency in check. Who the frick are they to come out publicly with their bullshite assessment clearly intended to unduly pressure the president on foreign policy.
frick that, do your fricking job, advise the president and stfu
Posted on 11/20/18 at 12:33 pm to Decatur
quote:Sweet.
The official, Kirsten Fontenrose, had pushed for tough measures against the Saudi government, and had been in Riyadh to discuss a raft of sanctions that the American government imposed in recent days against those identified as responsible for the killing, according to two people familiar with the conversations. Specifically, she advocated that Saud al-Qahtani, a top adviser to Crown Prince Mohammed bin Salman, be added to the list, and he ultimately was.
Posted on 11/20/18 at 12:35 pm to NIH
Square your support for the US giving Gulen political asylum away from Erdogan so he isnt killed with Khashoggi living here as a dissident, traveling to the Saudi consulate for papers, and then being brutally and brazenly murdered on the orders of Saudi leadership.
I don’t see how you can square the two. Either we harbor dissidents and give a shite about free speech or we don’t. Same thing with Russian journalists poisoned in foreign capitals.
I don’t see how you can square the two. Either we harbor dissidents and give a shite about free speech or we don’t. Same thing with Russian journalists poisoned in foreign capitals.
This post was edited on 11/20/18 at 12:36 pm
Posted on 11/20/18 at 12:35 pm to tigerinDC09
The US intelligence community is a criminal organization.
Posted on 11/20/18 at 12:35 pm to tigerinDC09
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So if you are a U.S. person
WTF is a US person? I swear the left just makes up shite to advance their diabolical agenda.
Stop being a pawn of MIC and the Neocons. Sorry we are not going to war over this. President Trump is in charge.
Posted on 11/20/18 at 12:36 pm to tigerinDC09
Is anyone surprised that he is placing money over morals? I’m not.
Posted on 11/20/18 at 12:36 pm to TBoy
If you Leftist morons are consistent and honest (you are not) then other than Israel, there is no one in the Middle East we should count as an ally....
Posted on 11/20/18 at 12:37 pm to boosiebadazz
We can’t give Gulen to Erdogan, I’ve stated this but we can’t turn our backs on our economic and geopolitical interest over the killing of a journalist.
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