re: True or false, teacher walkout for pay raises is a non starter?

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If increased pay is demanded, standards need to be greatly increased in connection.

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I agree. I would argue that all of my points in my comment though still stand. There will never be a demand for higher standards for becoming a teacher when there is no pressure on the state to do so. It would lead to a call for higher pay.*

*See my comment again for why there's no incentive for politicians to pay teachers more.

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There is no easy answer here, but the idea that teachers deserve a pay raise simply because they are teachers is asinine considering that the claim that they are irreplaceable is completely false.

I don’t know how to fix it.

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but you mainly described a scenario which there really isn't an issue to fix in terms of teacher pay.

by Fix you mean, what teachers think their pay should be?

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how do you mean dead?

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More and more people are going to opt for decentralized forms of education.

Public schools are basically Sears circa 1990.

They've got some miles left but they're already dead

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but, you agree they are important?

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They are EXTREMELY important, but the field is awash with the dregs and that hampers the field.

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How do you base "I think they are paid appropriately to their value as a worker" ?

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In other words, how do you scale "value" relative to fair pay?

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”Fair pay”?

There is no such thing.

They are compensated in regards to their bargaining power and their replacement value.

The medical field offers good insight into the concept.

For example, pediatricians and family practice are the lowest paid fields.

Why?

Because, in comparison to other specialties, they are neither selective nor exclusive.

The fields often take the lowest in the medical class.

There is often a surplus of them as well.

Cardiovascular surgeon? VERY selective and demands significant compensation in response.

Teachers have no bargaining power. It is an inherent problem with the way the field exists.

Zach, you could be correct.

I am conveying how they label their local buildings.

Each big city has a building HQ Department of Education

State capitol is where the "twin towers " are located.

Then we have the Federal level in DC. DOE

State level is huge...ton of people in these buildings

That's what I am describing as deep state...these people run the show and control the funds.

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As a field, I truly believe that they should be held to a standard on par with physicians.

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A physician makes decisions about how to address your health. Teachers today have no control over your curriculum, so they can’t really address your education. They follow a how to guide. Now we can say that should change, and if it did good teachers become more valuable just like good doctors.

Education is wasting time teaching unneeded skills while not addressing students real needs. For example, my kids get less than 50 minutes of math instruction a day in elementary school. WTF...there is no excuse for such a small fraction of school time to be devoted to a core subject. In elementary we should focus on making Math and English understood completely. Instead we waste time on non-core things like switching classes for every subject, teaching history to a child who doesn’t understand the ramifications of historical actions, or teaching computer skills that would come as naturally as talking. In elementary school we should make sure kids can read and do arithmetic, the rest can be taught later once those two skills are mastered.

While I agree that some form of raise is necessary in many places, people always ignore that teachers generally work 9.5-10 months of the year with personal days for vacation and a pension plan.

Two key factors are that their salary is for not a full years work. Secondly, when you get greater benefits, your salaries are inherently lower. It’s a trade off.

That said, the issue with teaching pay is that it is not performance based and neither are promotions in most cases. Some teachers/deana/principals work well beyond their minimum requirements with nothing financially to show for it, while others work the minimum and get the same.

Job performance is rarely accounted for, and thus those that deserve legitimate raises are punished.

In the end, like most government-based programs, teachers are in a negative position for their unions as much as anything. If you protect shitty workers, he good ones will pay the price.

Total lifetime compensation is more than 90% of the careers in Louisiana I suspect.

Most that start young and work to retirement age will draw retirement for more years than they actually work.

They NEVER include all their BS benefits like DROP, golden health insurance, unbelievable number of days off, and retirement plans worth millions.

Obviously a gold digging teacher is down voting the facts.

I say give any Louisiana teacher that forgoes DROP and a pension a $20,000 a year raise and we would be hundreds of millions of dollars ahead. So many of them are so financially ignorant they would jump all over this. They ignore completely the value of a guaranteed defined benefit pension plan as lucrative as the ones they have now.

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Public sector unions are an albatross.

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The problem with public sector unions is no one is representing the tax payers

I'm not a fan of unions in general but in the case of public sector unions how are the people funding the operation (the tax payers) represented in negotiations?