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re: Total Number of Deaths per Year
Posted on 4/11/21 at 1:26 am to Aubie Spr96
Posted on 4/11/21 at 1:26 am to Aubie Spr96
Raw data spreadsheet of weekly US deaths going back several years
To summarize, total deaths from all causes by year:
2014 - 2,663,708
2015 - 2,693,027
2016 - 2,725,761
2017 - 2,804,261
2018 - 2,831,836
2019 - 2,845,793
2020 - 3,414,838
Obviously, population is not constant, so death rate per 100k population, by year:
2015 - 839
2016 - 844
2017 - 863
2018 - 866
2019 - 865
2020 - 1032
You can argue that the response was disproportionate, or not necessary, or any number of other arguments and I would probably agree with some of them. But to try to argue that nobody really died is just plain stupid.
To summarize, total deaths from all causes by year:
2014 - 2,663,708
2015 - 2,693,027
2016 - 2,725,761
2017 - 2,804,261
2018 - 2,831,836
2019 - 2,845,793
2020 - 3,414,838
Obviously, population is not constant, so death rate per 100k population, by year:
2015 - 839
2016 - 844
2017 - 863
2018 - 866
2019 - 865
2020 - 1032
You can argue that the response was disproportionate, or not necessary, or any number of other arguments and I would probably agree with some of them. But to try to argue that nobody really died is just plain stupid.
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Posted on 4/11/21 at 1:31 am to Korkstand
quote:upvote
Korkstand
Posted on 4/11/21 at 1:35 am to xxTIMMYxx
quote:Can you define "a lot"? Because 17-18 was the worst flu season of the last decade with about 60k deaths, which would hardly impact the bottom line for 2020.
There are a lot of flu and pneumonia deaths baked into that 500k number
And the link I posted breaks out deaths related to pneumonia, so here are pneumonia deaths by year:
2014 - 187546
2015 - 187364
2016 - 178220
2017 - 180151
2018 - 177180
2019 - 167386
2020 - 354973
Really bad pneumonia season I guess?
Posted on 4/11/21 at 1:37 am to HailHailtoMichigan!
quote:
upvote
And of course it's a downvote. Perfectly fits with this bizarro clown world board. Up is down, right is wrong, etc.
Posted on 4/11/21 at 1:38 am to Korkstand
That’s a good chunk. The cdc website has listings for flu/Covid and pneumonia/covid. Probably somewhere between 100k and 150k..maybe higher. That was many months ago
This post was edited on 4/11/21 at 1:39 am
Posted on 4/11/21 at 1:45 am to Korkstand
quote:
And of course it's a downvote. Perfectly fits with this bizarro clown world board. Up is down, right is wrong, etc.
I really did upvote your post.
These morons engage in pathological flippancy about covid deaths- "he would have died anyway", "died with, not of"
Yet they also are proclaiming ANY DEATH AFTER THE VACCINE to the vaccine.
the hypocrisy is galling.
Posted on 4/11/21 at 1:49 am to xxTIMMYxx
quote:Are you trying to say that the doubling of pneumonia-related deaths was not caused by covid?
That’s a good chunk. The cdc website has listings for flu/Covid and pneumonia/covid. Probably somewhere between 100k and 150k..maybe higher. That was many months ago
Posted on 4/11/21 at 1:52 am to Korkstand
I am relaying what was on the website. Nothing more
Posted on 4/11/21 at 2:42 am to Willie Stroker
quote:
It is estimated that 45 million people in the US contracted the flu
Now go back and weigh the 61,000 vs the actual positive flu tests. Thanks in advance.
Because we know for certain many, many people had corona, but couldn't get tested. So lets estimate that 165M actually had corona (because I was told corona was so much more contagious than anything ever), now do that math.
Posted on 4/11/21 at 7:28 am to HailHailtoMichigan!
quote:
These morons engage in pathological flippancy about covid deaths- "he would have died anyway", "died with, not of"
Your pathological flippancy about the deaths of people who died from preventable causes due to a lack of access to healthcare because healthcare providers were acting like utter retards is disgusting.
Posted on 4/11/21 at 7:31 am to League Champs
quote:
Now go back and weigh the 61,000 vs the actual positive flu tests. Thanks in advance.
It's impossible. COVID diagnosis and cause of death statistics are deliberately manipulated, and impossible to parse from any other disease exactly the same way HIV/AIDS deaths were manipulated in drug users in the 80s. A lot of the same people were involved in both fake and gay crises, unsurprisingly.
Posted on 4/11/21 at 8:03 am to Teddy Ruxpin
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is, and it will be interesting to see what mortality looks like for the next few years if these are pulled forward or not.
Not to be mean, but the virus in many cases killed the oldest and the weakest among us.
I suspect the death rate may be slightly lower.
Now that may be offset by the decreased number of people that underwent screening for cancers, but I suspect a decrease.
Posted on 4/11/21 at 8:48 am to Willie Stroker
quote:
Now let's compare that to Covid rates. 30,897,028 tested positive 558,028 deaths - 1.8% died
The Covid deaths are false. Due to Cares Act money anyone who died of anything at the hospital and tested posted for Covid was listed as Covid cause of death when it was not.
Beyond that, many hospitals dropped the Covid positive check on the deceased entirely. They merely required a doctor to sign off. IE, 'Hey, Doc, this guy died of a heart attack. Should we check him for Covid?'
'No, it looks like Covid to me. Mark it up.'
Posted on 4/11/21 at 9:11 am to Willie Stroker
quote:that number is not reliable because the tests aren't reliable.
30,897,028 tested positive
quote:
558,028 deaths - 1.8% died
the cdc admitted that a significant portion of that number died with a comorbidity so it's difficult to tell what actually killed the person. iow, that number is HIGHLY inflated and everyone knew it from the beginning quote:this is debatable and it's beside the point. the point was never how "deadly" it was/is. the point was why a one size fits all response.
Covid has been far deadlier than our worst flu season
we knew from the beginning that kids weren't getting sick/dying.
we knew that some cities were being hit worse than others.
we knew that hospitals at no point were being overrun.
we knew that the cdc was changing their stance every month.
we knew the masks weren't really doing anything.
we also knew that some people were willing to take the risk of contracting the virus in order to still live a somewhat normal life and that was infringed upon for no good reason
Posted on 4/11/21 at 9:13 am to Korkstand
quote:oh great. kork is back. here we go
to argue that nobody really died is just plain stupid
i don't think anyone has ever really tried to say that. what everyone should be up in arms about is the cdc admitting they grossly inflated the numbers. how many people lost their businesses because of that political vendetta against trump?
Posted on 4/11/21 at 9:14 am to League Champs
quote:and we have no idea how many asymptomatic cases there were. yet kork and hail are going on about how factual they are
we know for certain many, many people had corona, but couldn't get tested
Posted on 4/11/21 at 9:19 am to Korkstand
That’s what I figured. Now the question will be do we see a corresponding decrease this year? In other words, did COVID just pull through a bunch of 2022 deaths.
Posted on 4/11/21 at 9:24 am to bfniii
quote:
to argue that nobody really died is just plain stupid
quote:
i don't think anyone has ever really tried to say tha
From the OP
quote:
All of this points to no evidence that COVID-19 created any excess deaths. Total death numbers are not above normal death numbers.
Posted on 4/11/21 at 9:27 am to East Coast Band
quote:
Muh flatten the curves
Turned into zero cases or no freedom
Posted on 4/11/21 at 9:29 am to Aubie Spr96
Because in any other year, Covid deaths would have been deaths from:
Flu
Pneumonia
Heart attack
Diabetes
Stroke
COPD
Aneurysm
Etc
Flu
Pneumonia
Heart attack
Diabetes
Stroke
COPD
Aneurysm
Etc
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