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re: Tommie Robinson and the Brits revolution. Is it just going to fizzle out?

Posted on 8/4/24 at 8:34 am to
Posted by TrueTiger
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Posted on 8/4/24 at 8:34 am to
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You have to convince voters to support your policies. That's how democracy works.


Democracy (which is subjective) only works upon a stable foundation of civilization.


Civilization is only achieved by the threat of violence by men.


Posted by dalefla
Central FL
Member since Jul 2024
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Posted on 8/4/24 at 8:35 am to
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Guns won't win this political debate (in the US or UK).

You have to convince voters to support your policies. That's how democracy works


Ask Venezuelans about that idea. You should move there.
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
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Posted on 8/4/24 at 8:35 am to
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Civilization is only achieved by the threat of violence by men.


It was the most important factor in development.
Posted by upgrayedd
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Posted on 8/4/24 at 8:36 am to
The cops are basically on the side of the Muslim hordes. They’ll only be prosecuting one side. The only way this turns around is if the cops start getting visits at home.
This post was edited on 8/4/24 at 8:44 am
Posted by LSUGrrrl
Frisco, TX
Member since Jul 2007
44889 posts
Posted on 8/4/24 at 8:38 am to
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Voting for representatives who would enact that policy


Still doesn’t apply here.

We already have laws in place to prevent this influx.
The President unilaterally decided to let this happen despite what the laws or any representatives say.
Posted by upgrayedd
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Member since Mar 2013
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Posted on 8/4/24 at 8:38 am to
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You have to convince voters to support your policies. That's how democracy works.

What a bunch of horseshite.

How many people voted for unchecked illegal immigration? Because that’s how democracy is working now. Politicians unilaterally going against their constituents’ wishes
Posted by TrueTiger
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Posted on 8/4/24 at 8:40 am to
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It was the most important factor in development.



It's the foundational ingredient.

How many will follow the rules of civilization knowing there are zero consequences for not doing so?

Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
466115 posts
Posted on 8/4/24 at 8:41 am to
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Still doesn’t apply here.

We're talking about the UK

But the fact that it happens here with the 2A/guns shows my statement is even more correct
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
296381 posts
Posted on 8/4/24 at 8:43 am to
UK is facing the same problem all Western nations are.

NGOs and non profits shipping low IQ people wholesale to developed nations.

There;s a shite load of money behind it. Money trumps all.
Posted by Great Plains Drifter
Flyover, U.S.A.
Member since Jul 2019
8717 posts
Posted on 8/4/24 at 8:43 am to
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You have to convince voters to support your policies. That's how democracy works.


You’ve always struck me as a well-read individual (though I rarely agree with you).

So, perhaps you wouldn’t mind sharing with myself (or perhaps others) where these open debates promoting this mass migration in the Western nations were sold to and supported by the public in those Western nations.

As for here in the U.S., I can’t recall the Democratic platform or office seekers openly stating or expressing the need for open migration as part of what they were selling potential voters.

This isn’t a gotcha so much as it is you stating voters need to support policies so just trying to better understand at what point the current policies were initially sold and supported before we found ourselves in the present day.
Posted by Smokeyone
Maryville Tn
Member since Jul 2016
20944 posts
Posted on 8/4/24 at 8:43 am to
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have to convince voters to support your policies. That's how democracy works.


Both countries were founded on violence. Both countries used weapons to settle policy disputes. Neither country has ever been a democracy.

It’s like history isn’t a thing?
Posted by Lsupimp
Ersatz Amerika-97.6% phony & fake
Member since Nov 2003
85315 posts
Posted on 8/4/24 at 8:44 am to
It’s SFP. Not even kidding, he is now officially at the DV, DNR period of his narcissistic unraveling. He’s male Joy Behar, you have to forget 90% of what you know to be able to read it without guffawing.
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
296381 posts
Posted on 8/4/24 at 8:44 am to
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What a bunch of horseshite.



He;s somehow convinced that politicians are beholden to voters.

You and I grew out of that kind of naivety decades ago. He still hasnt.

SFP is the most trusting poster here of Government information.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
466115 posts
Posted on 8/4/24 at 8:44 am to
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What a bunch of horseshite.

The UK literally just had a Parliamentary vote and this was a major issue

quote:

How many people voted for unchecked illegal immigration?

Labour, who promotes even more immigration, won in a landslide.

Reform UK got a whopping 5 (out of 650) seats in the House of Commons, in an election held a few months ago.

quote:

Politicians unilaterally going against their constituents’ wishes

In the UK? Evidence?
Posted by Bamafig
Member since Nov 2018
5882 posts
Posted on 8/4/24 at 8:44 am to
Soccer season will start back soon enough. The Hooligans will then have something else to do. Bread and Circus.
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
296381 posts
Posted on 8/4/24 at 8:45 am to
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He’s male Joy Behar,


Excellent comparison..
Posted by dalefla
Central FL
Member since Jul 2024
3210 posts
Posted on 8/4/24 at 8:45 am to
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Democracy (which is subjective) only works upon a stable foundation of civilization.


It works right up to the point that the non-productive can vote themselves the riches of the productive. We have crossed that threshold. 2nd Amendment is the only thing keeping us from becoming Venezuela.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
466115 posts
Posted on 8/4/24 at 8:46 am to
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where these open debates promoting this mass migration in the Western nations were sold to and supported by the public in those Western nations.

Farage has been beating this drum for a long time in the UK

quote:

, I can’t recall the Democratic platform or office seekers openly stating or expressing the need for open migration as part of what they were selling potential voters.

There is no policy of "open migration" in the US
Posted by upgrayedd
Lifting at Tobin's house
Member since Mar 2013
138106 posts
Posted on 8/4/24 at 8:46 am to
It’s pretty funny when he claims to be libertarian
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
296381 posts
Posted on 8/4/24 at 8:46 am to
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It works right up to the point that the non-productive can vote themselves the riches of the productive. We have crossed that threshold. 2nd Amendment is the only thing keeping us from becoming Venezuela.


Which is why a reasonable split would be better.

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