re: Today (January 19) is Robert E. Lee’s birthday. A timely quote?

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Just look at it today. Military bases around the world and forever wars.

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There have always been forever wars. I believe there is much less warfare than through history. In fact, throughout history, the average man had to carry steel into battle. That is not true in today’s world.

Also, to add to your problematic list of negatives, two thirds of the world have been lifted out of poverty by the “Yankee Empire”.

Why are there no calls for these African countries that need to pay reparations

The slave trade was a horrific event that exploited the people of Africa for personal and material gains. It is sad that many African states took part in this unfortunate and tragic exploitation of people for material gains. The stain of slavery set Africa back decades and had a huge impact on the African people. Sadly, a few African nations took part in this Atlantic slave trade. Here are a few of them.

1. Dahomey?The Kingdom of Dahomey was a West African Kingdom located in present day Benin. They were a major source of slaves for the Atlantic Slave trade, raiding nearby settlements for slaves. In the 1720’s, King Agaja [1] expanded the Kingdom with the takeover of the kingdom of Allada in 1724 (which controlled Porto Nuovo a key port for the slave trade in West Africa) and the kingdom of Whydah in 1727 (which controlled another slave port of the Atlantic Slave Trade, Ouidah). With the coastal slave trade cities in the hands of the Kingdom of Dahomey, they became known as the main market for the export of slaves and were hugely involved in this trade, and profited from it. The Kingdom of Dahomey raised the prices of slaves which attracted the attention of the more powerful Oyo Empire, resulting in their defeat in the 1740’s and tributary status for 100 years. The involvement of the kingdom of Dahomey in the Atlantic slave trade continued until 1852 when Britain which had been one of the hugest customers of the slave trade forced the Dahomey Kingdom into ending the slave trade. To understand the importance of the slave trade to the monarchy of Dahomey, King Gezo had the following to say in the 1840s:
“The slave trade is the ruling principle of my people. It is the source and the glory of their wealth…the mother lulls the child to sleep with notes of triumph over an enemy reduced to slavery…”

2. Morocco
The Alawite Dynasty was a Kingdom in Morocco which took part in the Trans-Saharan slave trade. The main slave markets for supplying slaves were in Morocco in Tangiers, Marrakesh and Fez where slaves were sold on the streets. During the many wars for expansion that the Alawite Dynasty fought, they captured many Africans and sold them as slaves to the Middle Eastern Empires. They also raided many African towns and were a center for the Arab slave trade. The slave trade finally ended in 1950[2].

3. Ottoman Algeria?The Regency of Algiers was a state in Algeria that lasted from 1518 to 1830, and it was part of the Ottoman Empire. They were huge players in the slave trade, enslaving both Africans and Europeans that they raided along with the Barbary pirates[3]. They had huge slave markets with thousands of slaves sold through the trans-Saharan slave route. Their slaves were acquired through trade, through raiding and through expansion wars. The slave trade lasted till 1830 when war with the French led to the end of Ottoman rule of Algeria.
4. Egypt?Egypt was a major player in the Trans-Saharan and then the Atlantic slave trade. It started in 641 AD with the Muslim Conquest of Egypt by the Rashidun caliphate. With that, the trade route from Egypt to Mecca and the Middle East was established. The trans-Saharan slave trade thus began in Egypt[4]. Later on, Egypt became part of the Ottoman Empire in the 1500’s. It is estimated that millions of slaves were taken from Egypt to Asia. It ended in the 1900’s after immense pressure by the British after Egypt defaulted on its debts. With one of the longest histories of involvement in the slave trade, Egypt had to be on the list of African nations involved in the slave trade.
5. Kanem Bornu?The Kanem Bornu Empire was based in parts of current day Cameroon, Chad and Nigeria. It lasted from 700 to 1900 AD. The principal trade commodity of the Empire around 900 AD was in slaves, with around 5,000 slaves traded annually by the end of the 15th century. Initially, the slaves were sold in the trans-Saharan slave trade, but eventually they took part in the transatlantic slave trade as well, with around two million slaves having walked through the slave route in their Empire[5]. They raided non-Muslim neighbouring kingdoms for slaves to boost their economy in times of need. Eventually, Kanem Bornu was invaded and thus the slave trade ended.
6. Kingdom of Allada?The Kingdom of Allada was a coastal Kingdom located in Southern Benin. It reached the peak of its power in the 16th century when it was a center of the Atlantic Slave trade, being a huge source of slaves. Slaves were captured by raiding and attacking enemy kingdoms. These slaves were then traded on to the European slavers who were bound for America[6]. As a coastal city, Allada was a major port for the slave trade along the Atlantic coast and continued to be even after the end of the Kingdom of Allada. In 1724, the kingdom of Dahomey invaded the Kingdom of Allada and ironically, many of their citizens were then sold into slavery. Though a relatively small kingdom, Allada was significant among the African nations involved in the slave trade.
7. Aro Confederacy?The Aro Confederacy was a political union located in present-day South-Eastern Nigeria. The Igbo who were part of the Aro Confederacy were one of the leading exporters of slaves to Europe and the Americas from 1690 to 1902[7]. Estimates indicate that 850,000 slaves were exported overseas. The Aro confederacy was therefore a major player among African nations involved in the slave trade. Once the Aro gained the upper hand in the slave trade, they launched many raids and wars to capture more slaves. The Aro confederacy united around the Chukwu – Great Spirit – oracle of Aro and these shared beliefs made their region a unified trade network.
8. Ashanti Empire?The Ashanti Empire was an Empire based in current day Ghana. They were formed in 1700 and took part in the slave trade until the 19th century [8]. The economy of the Ashanti Empire was based on the trade of gold and slaves, while their army mainly served as a tool to capture more and more Africans and force them into slavery. Captives in war were taken as slaves to be either treated as slaves in the Empire or be exported across the Atlantic Ocean to the Americas.
9. Songhai Empire?The Songhai Empire was one of the largest states in African history and was located in Western Africa. The slave trade was a huge part of the Songhai Empire [9]. Slaves were used extensively within the Empire itself to transport goods, while literate slaves stood a chance of becoming government officials, but many were also exported in the transatlantic slave trade via European slavers. The slaves were often procured in raids and in wars with neighbouring nations, especially from the neighbouring Kru and Baga nations.
10. Mali Empire?The Mali Empire was based in current day Mali from 1235 to 1670 AD. They were hugely involved in trade but also the trade of slaves through the trans-Saharan trade route. Slave labour was common and so was the export of slaves. Thousands were enslaved in raids and wars waged by the Mali Empire over the years[10]. Slavery was finally abolished by the French after Mali was colonized, though some descent-based slavery still happens in Northern Mali.

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dipshit cultists

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Oh the irony here

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Another yankee on a LA based website telling us how dumb we are?

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It goes without saying, doesn't it?

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Like we have a choice? I mean, the South tried to get away from their abusers once.

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You had a choice. You made it. You lost.

Time to deal with it.

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Time to deal with it.

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You can lick those boots, and keep believing the US is always the good guys, but facts are facts, inconvenient or not.

Because the government would never, ever, lie to us, right?

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You can lick those boots, and keep believing the US is always the good guys, but facts are facts, inconvenient or not.

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Sorry you hate my country.

Still a yankee dipshit.

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The atomic bombs saved Japanese lives.

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Technically, yes.

But were they absolutely necessary? Or is this the story we need to tell school children (myself included growing up) in history class to justify killing innocent people?

There are stories of the code breakers intercepting Japanese messages and the underlying sympathies of surrender after the 2 firebombings of Tokyo (1 @ 100,000 dead, the other at 125,000 dead) and them reaching out to the Soviet Union to negotiate peace.

The reason for the estimated number of casualties is due to the US instance on a ground war with the Japanese in Japan.

When you tell a culture that sees surrender as a disgrace you will ONLY accept unconditional surrender, you are saying they need to fight to the last man.

I also think it was wrong to strike so many civilians on more than one occasion instead of military installations.

You're a good poster so I don't want to reduce this to some BS argument, I just want people to question motives and is all of history really what we were taught and told?

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Why are you here?

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It’s cold outside and Mommy took away its PlayStation. It’s clear it has no friends.