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re: Today (January 19) is Robert E. Lee’s birthday. A timely quote?
Posted on 1/20/24 at 12:47 pm to Lima Whiskey
Posted on 1/20/24 at 12:47 pm to Lima Whiskey
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Grant found himself unable out to outmaneuver Lee.
This isn't true.
Grant outmaneuvered Lee in the aftermath of the Battle of Cold Harbor, expertly crossing the James River without Lee's knowledge and getting below Richmond before he could react. It was the failure of William "Baldy" Smith's XVIII Corps to capture Petersburg that caused the nine-month siege which extended the conflict beyond where it should have been. Had he shown aggression instead of timidity, the war ends in June 1864 instead of April 1865.
Either way you slice it, the Confederacy (to use a chess terminology) was put in check by Grant's successful maneuver onto the Petersburg-Richmond line. From June 1864 and onward it was only a question of time - something Lee realized all too well when he told his commanders before the campaign began that they had to keep Grant north of the James River at all costs.
This post was edited on 1/20/24 at 12:51 pm
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Posted on 1/20/24 at 12:48 pm to RollTide1987
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I would not as Sherman never commanded an army in a truly major engagement. The biggest battle he participated in was Shiloh and he commanded a division in that engagement.
He was ahead of his time.
Sherman would beat the frick out of Grant and Lee at the same time today.
Posted on 1/20/24 at 12:51 pm to DisplacedBuckeye
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He was ahead of his time.
How was he ahead of his time? Everything Sherman did in Georgia and the Carolinas he learned from Grant. Sherman was but the apprentice, he (Grant) was the master.
This post was edited on 1/20/24 at 12:52 pm
Posted on 1/20/24 at 12:54 pm to RollTide1987
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How was he ahead of his time? Everything Sherman did in Georgia and the Carolinas he learned from Grant. Sherman was but the apprentice, he (Grant) was the master.
Dude, read a book. Sherman learned most of what made him successful fighting in the South while Grant was fricking around with Mexicans.
The dude had the opportunity to command Grant FFS, and turned it down to frick shite up.
Posted on 1/20/24 at 1:04 pm to DisplacedBuckeye
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Dude, read a book. Sherman learned most of what made him successful fighting in the South while Grant was fricking around with Mexicans.
Um...what? Please explain this to me like I'm five. The Mexican-American War was fought from 1846-1848 and the American Civil War was fought from 1861-1865. Sherman was serving in California in an administrative capacity during the war against Mexico. He didn't get to the South until 1859 and did no fighting while he was Superintendent of what would become known as LSU.
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The dude had the opportunity to command Grant FFS, and turned it down to frick shite up.
Probably because he was only months removed from a psychotic breakdown that saw him put a gun to his head multiple times. He knew he wasn't fit to command despite his seniority in rank. He didn't turn down anything, he merely told Grant to command him in any way he saw fit. Probably because he was impressed with what he did at Fort Henry and Fort Donelson.
You're not going to win this argument...I'm a History major and one of the many papers I wrote on this subject delved into the friendship between these two men.
This post was edited on 1/20/24 at 1:07 pm
Posted on 1/20/24 at 1:07 pm to RollTide1987
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Um...what? Please explain this to me like I'm five. The Mexican-American War was fought from 1846-1848 and the American Civil War was fought from 1861-1865. Sherman was serving in California in an administrative capacity during the war against Mexico. He didn't get to the South until 1859 and did no fighting while he was Superintendent of what would become known as LSU.
Like I said, read a book.
Sherman didn't get his first taste of combat in the Civil War.
Posted on 1/20/24 at 1:08 pm to RollTide1987
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You're not going to win this argument...I'm a History major
I can guarantee you that I'll win this argument. I know more about Sherman than you learned in whatever trash program taught you history.
Posted on 1/20/24 at 1:10 pm to RollTide1987
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You're not going to win this argument...I'm a History major and one of the many papers I wrote on this subject delved into the friendship between these two men.
Also, how the frick did you not know that Sherman turned down the opportunity to command Grant?
FFS, you're supposedly a history major.
This post was edited on 1/20/24 at 1:12 pm
Posted on 1/20/24 at 1:12 pm to DisplacedBuckeye
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Sherman didn't get his first taste of combat in the Civil War.
I never said he did. However, the skirmishes Sherman took part in during the Second Seminole War in Florida pale in comparison to what Grant experienced at Monterrey, Molino Del Ray, and Mexico City during the Mexican-American War. The battles were far larger and far bloodier by comparison.
Posted on 1/20/24 at 1:14 pm to DisplacedBuckeye
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DisplacedBuckeye
You make trolling look easy. I just don't know how you do it.
Posted on 1/20/24 at 1:14 pm to DisplacedBuckeye
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Also, how the frick did you not know that Sherman turned down the opportunity to command Grant?
Probably because it never happened. It's not like Halleck offered him command of the Army of the Tennessee. Sherman just happened to be senior in rank but decided to serve under him.
If anything it was C.F. Smith who turned down the opportunity to command Grant.
This post was edited on 1/20/24 at 1:17 pm
Posted on 1/20/24 at 1:16 pm to RollTide1987
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I never said he did.
And I never said their experience were concurrent. Yet, here we are.
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However, the skirmishes Sherman took part in during the Second Seminole War in Florida pale in comparison to what Grant experienced at Monterrey, Molino Del Ray, and Mexico City during the Mexican-American War. The battles were far larger and far bloodier by comparison.
Neat. My point stands.
Posted on 1/20/24 at 1:18 pm to DisplacedBuckeye
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And I never said their experience were concurrent.
It must have been your grammar then that led us to this misunderstanding. As evidenced above.
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Neat. My point stands.
As does mine.
Posted on 1/20/24 at 1:19 pm to RollTide1987
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Probably because it never happened.
It did happen.
History major, my arse.
What fricking school gave you a degree?
Posted on 1/20/24 at 1:20 pm to DisplacedBuckeye
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It did happen.
Please link me to the letter sent from Halleck asking Sherman to command the Army of the Tennessee.
Assuming it did, however, it simply proves my point. Even Sherman knew who the better commander was.
This post was edited on 1/20/24 at 1:22 pm
Posted on 1/20/24 at 1:21 pm to RollTide1987
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It must have been your grammar then that led us to this misunderstanding. As evidenced above.
Holy. frick.
It's not even a difficult word.
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As does mine.
So you never disagreed? Just felt like making an irrelevant point?
I can respect that.
Posted on 1/20/24 at 1:21 pm to RollTide1987
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RollTide1987
Read. A. Book.
Posted on 1/20/24 at 1:22 pm to DisplacedBuckeye
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It's not even a difficult word.
Then why did you have trouble with it?
Posted on 1/20/24 at 1:22 pm to RollTide1987
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Even Sherman knew who the better commander was.
Sherman knew who the better politician was, but that wasn't the original point I made, sport.
Posted on 1/20/24 at 1:23 pm to DisplacedBuckeye
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Read. A. Book.
Link. Me. The. Order.
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