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re: Today (January 19) is Robert E. Lee’s birthday. A timely quote?
Posted on 1/19/24 at 3:11 pm to Swamp Angel
Posted on 1/19/24 at 3:11 pm to Swamp Angel
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WTF do you mean, "would've turned us..."?
You're an American, whether you like it or not.
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Posted on 1/19/24 at 3:21 pm to DisplacedBuckeye
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Even if you did, you're smart enough to have made the right one, so the outcome is the same.
Of course.
As a loyal colonial member of the Empire I would like it to do some more Empire type stuff. I think its been slacking off.
I propose that the Empire quit screwing around and go ahead and make Ukraine the 51st state.
Now that would be a proud moment for the Empire!
Posted on 1/19/24 at 3:22 pm to DisplacedBuckeye
Posted on 1/19/24 at 3:23 pm to EKG
Lees quote expresses the fear that drove secession. People believed that if we did not secede, we would find ourselves permanently ruled by a hostile block of northern states, who would “enslave” us.
People had this vision of the south trapped in perpetual servitude to the north.
People had this vision of the south trapped in perpetual servitude to the north.
This post was edited on 1/20/24 at 11:58 am
Posted on 1/19/24 at 4:02 pm to KiwiHead
All of the old Virginia families are still there. Harrison’s, Tyler’s, Lee’s, Spencer’s, Randolph’s.
Posted on 1/19/24 at 4:16 pm to Lima Whiskey
Does anyone believe any of the states would have agreed to the Constitution if they were told it was a permanently binding document with zero democratic way of getting out?
Posted on 1/19/24 at 4:20 pm to SCLibertarian
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Does anyone believe any of the states would have agreed to the Constitution if they were told it was a permanently binding document with zero democratic way of getting out?
That would make no sense knowing that the country was birthed by secession.
Posted on 1/19/24 at 4:32 pm to SCLibertarian
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a permanently binding document with zero democratic way of getting out
It isn’t; don’t listen to folks who repeat that falsehood.
Nowhere does The Constitution say as much.
Just because a state has yet to peacefully divorce itself from an abusive relationship with the federal government doesn’t mean it won’t happen.
The FFs did not intend for the Union to be “indivisible” in perpetuity.
Don’t forget: That word was added to the Pledge of Allegiance post-Civil War(1892)—likely to force an atmosphere of national unity.
This post was edited on 1/19/24 at 4:41 pm
Posted on 1/19/24 at 4:35 pm to EKG
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That word was added to the Pledge of Allegiance post-Civil War(1892)
For propaganda purposes.
Posted on 1/19/24 at 4:52 pm to TrueTiger
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Of course.
As a loyal colonial member of the Empire I would like it to do some more Empire type stuff. I think its been slacking off.
I propose that the Empire quit screwing around and go ahead and make Ukraine the 51st state.
Now that would be a proud moment for the Empire!
Imagine all that free and cheap labor!
Posted on 1/19/24 at 5:00 pm to DisplacedBuckeye
And there is something else the Empire needs to do.
It's been too long since it nuked anyone.
I think it's time to remind the world how badass the Empire is.
How about popping Yemen? They've been asking for it.
Posted on 1/19/24 at 5:02 pm to DisplacedBuckeye
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the mouth breathers in the South
GFY
Posted on 1/19/24 at 5:14 pm to DisplacedBuckeye
Dude .. Just leave the south- we don't want you
Posted on 1/19/24 at 5:19 pm to EKG
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Nowhere does The Constitution say as much. Just because a state has yet to peacefully divorce itself from an abusive relationship with the federal government doesn’t mean it won’t happen.
While your statement may be true in theory, it is definitely not true in practice as we have seen.
The federal government will never allow any state or states to be independent and they will use the force of the federal government to prohibit that
Posted on 1/19/24 at 6:01 pm to TrueTiger
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And there is something else the Empire needs to do.
Just bring back free labor. The rest will sort itself.
Posted on 1/19/24 at 6:01 pm to DesScorp
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GFY
Sore loser.
Posted on 1/19/24 at 6:01 pm to DisplacedBuckeye
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Sorry you can't own people, but it's probably for the best.
To make such a statement proves that you are bought, paid for, and fully owned by the master of ignorance. enjoy your bondage.
Posted on 1/19/24 at 6:02 pm to dafif
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Dude .. Just leave the south- we don't want you
That isn't up to you.
To the victor belong the spoils.
Posted on 1/19/24 at 6:02 pm to panzer
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by the master
Nah. We don't do that anymore.
Sorry for your loss.
Posted on 1/19/24 at 6:26 pm to DisplacedBuckeye
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You're an American, whether you like it or not.
I don't think you understand the actual founding of the United States. A state is a sovereign political entity. The original thirteen states were sovereign states/nations in their own right. The federal government was created by them in order that they may work together for common causes and hold together for a common defense against invasion from European powers. The federal government was created with very limited (and specifically enumerated) powers which were to be used to the benefit of all the states which ratified the Constitution.
Unfortunately, the word "state" is bandied about flippantly with no understanding of what a state truly is. In the minds of students of our public schools over the past several decades, the word "state" (in relation to Kentucky, Virginia, New Jersey, Louisiana, or any other state) is equivalent to "province." However, nothing could be further from the truth! Unfortunately, I fear that this concept is beyond your ability to comprehend. And, without an understanding of this concept, the idea of a constitutional republic with a limited federal government will remain entirely and fully beyond your cerebral grasp.
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