re: Today is the anniversary of the most important battle in history

The siege of Vienna is absolutely more important.

God bless the Poles.

Was a important battle. I don't have a "Holy League" flag emoji though.

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Despite the recent stains on our history, I'm a proud Catholic for our overall history.

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I'd rather be a product of Catholic domination over Muslim, but there is some dark shite going on with the ruling Jesuits right now

It's more than just the Jesuits too. Across the entire spectrum of Catholic intellectuals, every nook and cranny of Catholic media is weak and inept, or just plain terrible. (EDIT: I continue to give credit to EWTN and the NC Register, for doing the little things well, but they are not really geared toward effectively opposing Vatican culture.) (EDIT2: EWTN is actually coming through... here is something they aired the Thursday before last: " World Over - 2017-09-28 - Pope Francis Given Formal Correction with Raymond Arroyo".)

Here's a recent article from National Review: " Catholic Scholars vs. the Pope Who, They Charge, Is ‘Propagating Heresies’."

Of all the Catholic bishops of the world, only Bishop Fellay of SSPX in Switzerland had the balls to put his signature on it. Cardinal Burke of Wisconsin has given some indications that he might join in, but so far I don't think he has put his name on any formal correction document.

Buck Sexton did a great radio show on the battle of Lepanto a year or so ago. Really good listen if you have the time. The podcast of it is available to download.

It is always interesting (but usually unproductive) to attack questions of all time importance.

In this case you have:

Hastings
Waterloo
Marathon
Syracuse
Varus
Tours
Orleans
Blenheim
Saratoga

Just of the top of my head.

I think one could make the argument Gettysburg set up a situation for the modern power dynamic in the world today. That loss for Lee may have well hinged on Jackson being shot by friendly fire at Chancellorsville which lead to Ewell not understanding the term practicable from Lee and resting vs attacking Cemetery Hill. The tiniest of things can often change the history of the world.


It is a shame history and as a subset military history is so lacking in most of the population. While education is certainly responsible in part history requires near a life long pursuit to even scratch the surface.

I like to trigger the history vs hate members of my extended family with a simple quiz.

What are the dates (just the years) of the civil war.
Name 3 US generals not named Grant
Name 3 Confederate generals not named Lee
Name 3 battles the Confederacy won

To date they have all failed miserably, so much for the history part.

LINK ]The Fifteen Decisive Battles of the World: from Marathon to Waterloo by Creasy (1851) -- free download at Gutenberg.com

1 The Battle of Marathon, B.C. 490
2 Defeat of the Athenians at Syracuse, B.C. 413
3 The Battle of Arbela, B.C. 331
4 The Battle of the Metaurus, B.C. 207
5 Victory of Arminius over the Roman Legions under Varus, A.D. 9
6 The Battle of Chalons, A.D. 451
7 The Battle of Tours, A.D. 732
8 The Battle of Hastings, A.D. 1066
9 Joan of Arc's Victory over the English at Orleans, A.D. 1429
10 The Defeat of the Spanish Armada, A.D. 1588
11 The Battle of Blenheim, A.D. 1704
12 The Battle of Pultowa, A.D. 1709
13 Victory of the Americans over Burgoyne at Saratoga, A.D. 1777
14 The Battle of Valmy, A.D. 1792
15 The Battle of Waterloo, A.D. 1815

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In 1964, American historian Lt. Col. Joseph B. Mitchell published Twenty Decisive Battles of the World, an update of Creasy's list with five additions:

The Vicksburg Campaign, 1863. By capturing the Mississippi River during the American Civil War, the Union separated the Confederacy into halves.
Battle of Sadowa, 1866. This Prussian victory over the Austrians during the Seven Weeks War paved the way for a German empire.
First Battle of the Marne, 1914. The British and French prevented a German assault on Paris and an early German victory in World War I.
Battle of Midway, 1942. The beginning of the United States offensive in the Pacific Ocean during World War II and the devastating loss of four Japanese aircraft carriers.
Battle of Stalingrad, 1942–43. The defeat of the German attempt to conquer the Soviet Union and a significant loss of German resources in World War II.

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This thread reeks of white privilege.

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Free Constantinople.

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Or Lygos or Byzantium or Augusta Antonina or New Rome or Kostantiniyye or Istanbul or Stamboul or Islambol or...