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re: To those who oppose the Big Beautiful Bill

Posted on 6/5/25 at 9:31 am to
Posted by imjustafatkid
Alabama
Member since Dec 2011
65770 posts
Posted on 6/5/25 at 9:31 am to
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So pass teh cuts first. Then everyone will be on board for the BBB.


This is a lie.
Posted by geoag58
Member since Nov 2011
2121 posts
Posted on 6/5/25 at 9:31 am to
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A simple fix: increase taxes on the rich and more spending cuts. Balance the budget.



If you want to see any progress made on bringing down the debt this is the only way.
simple minded folks love this statement until the goal posts are moved and you become "rich" in the eyes of Daddy Government


In 2008, taxing those whose income was at least one million per year one hundred percent the government would be funded for four months.
Our debt in 2008 was a little over 10 trillion and was 68 percent of GDP. In 2023 debt was 34 trillion and 122 percent of GDP. Our debt is now 37 trillion.

The solution won't come from taxing the income side more. It must come from cuts in spending.
Posted by BCreed1
Alabama
Member since Jan 2024
6978 posts
Posted on 6/5/25 at 9:31 am to
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BECAUSE THEY CAN'T DUE TO THE RULES. You've been told this a hundred times. At this point, you are being willfully stupid or just dishonest.

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And what is so great about this bill without cuts?



Border security - you know what that leads to? That's right, less spending.

Work requirements for medicaid - less spending

Election security - this is more important than the debt. Without this, you lose everything. How easier would it be to pass cuts if we had more Republicans? But you people are too myopic to see this.

Reduced taxes - more tax revenue. That means the deficit gets reduced

Remove green incentives - once again, more tax revenue. One analyst predicted Tesla could lose 40% of their sales with the loss of 1.3t in EV rebates. Do you think this has anything to do with Elon's objection to the bill?

Plus, the bill cuts spending, despite all the lies.

You people are so short-sighted. There are plenty of things in the bill that will reduce the deficit. You just can't see it because it isn't explicitly written. You have to actually put on your thinking cap and ask the difficult question, "How will these changes that lower spending and increase tax revenue help reduce the deficit?"

The people against the bill have repeatedly lied and misrepresented the bill. Rand pretends he doesn't know Senate rules. He also admitted he didn't have a plan to actually get anything passed. His plan to "cut everything" is simple-minded and in no ways is attuned with reality.

It's great that all you fiscal hawks decided to finally take a stand when election security and border security is on the table. You're useful idiots to the democrats. The 20-30 dem congressmen that should be republican seats and all the illegal aliens still in the country thank you for not being able to see the forest.

There was also a thread yesterday that listed 50 positives from the bill. I know you people who spend every day on here saw it.


10000000% right
Posted by Taxing Authority
Houston
Member since Feb 2010
63313 posts
Posted on 6/5/25 at 9:32 am to
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Wait wait wait. So you're both advocating for more cuts, AND advocating that they work with Democrats to make that happen?
No. But that's ONE BIG Beautifyl strawman you got there! I said no such thing.


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This might be the most braindead take imaginable.
Indeed! I'm just glad I wasn't the one that made it up.
This post was edited on 6/5/25 at 9:33 am
Posted by imjustafatkid
Alabama
Member since Dec 2011
65770 posts
Posted on 6/5/25 at 9:32 am to
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The solution won't come from taxing the income side more. It must come from cuts in spending.


Correct, and this bill cuts spending. The people opposing this bill are the ones who don't want to fix our problem.
Posted by Taxing Authority
Houston
Member since Feb 2010
63313 posts
Posted on 6/5/25 at 9:33 am to
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Correct. This is not Trump's budget.
if it so good, why doesn't he want credit for it?
Posted by imjustafatkid
Alabama
Member since Dec 2011
65770 posts
Posted on 6/5/25 at 9:33 am to
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No. But that's ONE BIG Beautifyl strawman you got there! I said no such thing.


Ok my bad. I thought you wanted cuts. So you don't want cuts and want Republicans to work with Democrats. That makes more sense.

That actually might be a more braindead take so I guess my imagination wasn't good enough.
Posted by imjustafatkid
Alabama
Member since Dec 2011
65770 posts
Posted on 6/5/25 at 9:34 am to
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if it so good, why doesn't he want credit for it?


Did you know that the president isn't a member of Congress?

Regardless, he has very publicly advocated for passing this bill so not sure what you're getting at here.
This post was edited on 6/5/25 at 9:34 am
Posted by Taxing Authority
Houston
Member since Feb 2010
63313 posts
Posted on 6/5/25 at 9:35 am to
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Yes, future Congresses can also pass laws. That is true. I guess we should just never pass anything and hope for the best?
More strawmanning. The "cuts' you claim don't come until the future.... while you argue that cuts are too difficult to pass. Do you think they will be easier to pass in 2028?



Watching MAGA adapt and try to sell the "We'll get 'em next time" approach the GOPE has used for decades is amazing to watch. What a time to be alive.
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
299196 posts
Posted on 6/5/25 at 9:35 am to
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No, it's the opposite.


No, its not.

You people would still be conservatives if Trump were not on the scene.
Posted by blueboy
Member since Apr 2006
65340 posts
Posted on 6/5/25 at 9:35 am to
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It is impossible to answer these questions because you begin with a false premise. This bill has cuts. Try again with a good faith
frick you. You know very well they could include a lot more. But they aren't.
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1. Pass nothing at all during Trump's term while Republicans control Congress and give control right back to the Dems.

Passing the bloated bill will keep dems from taking over.

fricking clown world.
Posted by Taxing Authority
Houston
Member since Feb 2010
63313 posts
Posted on 6/5/25 at 9:36 am to
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This is a lie.
Posted by BCreed1
Alabama
Member since Jan 2024
6978 posts
Posted on 6/5/25 at 9:36 am to
This guy is such an idiot. He actually thinks this is Trump's budget. LOL!



Posted by imjustafatkid
Alabama
Member since Dec 2011
65770 posts
Posted on 6/5/25 at 9:36 am to
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More strawmanning. The "cuts' you claim don't come until the future.... while you argue that cuts are too difficult to pass. Do you think they will be easier to pass in 2028?


You don't seem to understand what a strawman is.
Posted by imjustafatkid
Alabama
Member since Dec 2011
65770 posts
Posted on 6/5/25 at 9:37 am to
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No, its not.

You people would still be conservatives if Trump were not on the scene.


Still am conservative. We have before us the first, and likely only, bill that I have and likely will ever see that will cut entitlements in any way. I predict we will never see this come up again if this does not pass.
This post was edited on 6/5/25 at 9:38 am
Posted by Taxing Authority
Houston
Member since Feb 2010
63313 posts
Posted on 6/5/25 at 9:37 am to
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Ok my bad. I thought you wanted cuts. So you don't want cuts and want Republicans to work with Democrats. That makes more sense.
This is hte classic BamaATL technique. Congrats.
Posted by BCreed1
Alabama
Member since Jan 2024
6978 posts
Posted on 6/5/25 at 9:37 am to
Pretty soon, they will start the "we will pass it next time" lines.


LOL. They are just anti trump. It's more than clear because they attack him no matter what is going on.
Posted by Taxing Authority
Houston
Member since Feb 2010
63313 posts
Posted on 6/5/25 at 9:37 am to
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Did you know that the president isn't a member of Congress?


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Regardless, he has very publicly advocated for passing this bill so not sure what you're getting at here.
Seems odd since you're calling it "Biden's budget".
This post was edited on 6/5/25 at 9:38 am
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
299196 posts
Posted on 6/5/25 at 9:38 am to
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He actually thinks this is Trump's budget.



Trump called it his bill.

MAGA wants the bill so Trump gets a "win."

You lie, as usual

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"Rand Paul has very little understanding of the BBB, especially the tremendous GROWTH that is coming. He loves voting ‘NO’ on everything, he thinks it’s good politics, but it’s not. The BBB is a big WINNER!!!" Trump wrote on TRUTH Social.
Posted by BCreed1
Alabama
Member since Jan 2024
6978 posts
Posted on 6/5/25 at 9:39 am to
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Still am conservative. We have before us the first, and likely only, bill that I have and likely will ever see that will cut entitlements in any way.


THey hate stuff like this...


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Here are 50 MAJOR wins from Trump’s Big Beautiful Bill that the media is ignoring

1. No taxes on tips — servers, bartenders, and bellhops just got a raise Promises made, promises kept

2.Made Trump tax cuts permanent — Biden wanted them to expire.

3.Child tax credit raised to $2,500

4.Overtime pay tax-free — work hard, actually keep more.

5.$1.6 trillion in spending cuts — the largest rollback of government bloat in U.S. history.

6.Work requirement for welfare — able-bodied? Then get off the couch.

7.Deporting 1 million illegal immigrants per year — no more catch and release.

8. Builds the wall—finishes it — 701 miles of serious border protection. Massive!

9.10,000 new ICE agents — law and order at the border. Huge!

10.Eliminates Medicaid for illegal aliens — American benefits for Americans.

11.“Trump Savings Accounts” for kids — build generational wealth from birth. Game changer.

12.Slashes IRS funding — no more 87,000 new agents breathing down your neck.

13.Green New Deal defunded — no more money for solar BS.

14.Energy production unleashed — back to drilling, fracking, etc.

15.Tariffs on Chinese-built ships — protect American shipbuilders.

16.Buy American, build American — required on all infrastructure projects.

17.Estate tax protections expanded — family farms and businesses stay in the family.

18.Repeals DEI mandates — merit matters again. DEI is dying.

19.Bans taxpayer-funded gender ideology in federal agencies.

20.Military pay raise + benefits boost

21.National missile defense (“Golden Dome”)

22.HSA accounts expanded — use them for direct primary care.

23.School choice tax credits — parents, not unions, control education. Historic!

24.Feds barred from mandating pronoun usage.

25.Medicaid block grants to states — local control, not DC strings. Saves hundreds of billions.

26.Revives apprenticeship programs — college not required to succeed. The cartel hates this.

27.1% of exports must ship under U.S. flag

28.Mandates voter ID for federal elections.

29.Ends ESG mandates in retirement accounts

30.Cracks down on Big Pharma middlemen

31.Bans drag shows for kids at federally funded venues.

32.Fires the climate cult from federal boards

33.Veterans get priority housing access

34. Tax credit for buying American-made vehicles

35.Stops Chinese ownership of U.S. farmland — our soil is finally protected!.

36.Bans CRT from federal training programs.

37.Ends taxpayer-funded abortions abroad. And defunds planned parenthood!

38.Guts federal diversity czars — cuts the bloated bureaucracy.

39.Revives the Keystone XL pipeline
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40. Eliminates federal COVID emergency powers

41.Enacts Social Security tax cuts for seniors.

42.Defends religious liberty in the workplace

43. Restores due process on college campuses.

44. Massively expands trade school funding

45. Outlaws federal funding for gender transitions for minors.

46. Creates nationwide “patriot curriculum” grant fund

47.Halts funding to the UN’s woke agenda arms.

48. Tax breaks for adoption and large families.

49. Increases penalties for fentanyl trafficking — life in prison for cartels.

50. Restores cash bail in federal jurisdictions — no more revolving-door criminals.

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