re: To those who oppose the Big Beautiful Bill

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This is hte classic BamaATL technique. Congrats.

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You are the one who said Congress is acting like Dems when they shoved through Obamacare. The problem with Dems during Obamacare is they refused to listen to Republicans and passed a bill completely on their own. For this scenario to be similar, the obvious inference is that you want Republicans to reach across the aisle and work with Democrats to make cuts happen.

So the only question is what do you want them to compromise on to get Democrats to vote for bills? Do you want more cuts, or less? It can only be one of the two but you have now said it is neither.

Are you capable of being consistent or are you just throwing crap against the wall and hoping I won't remember your previous statements?

I have been up/down/left/right over this bill.

Right now, I have concluded that what the left hates is us doing shite with money when THEY can't do shite with the money. Their normal stooges are out there freaking out about this bill in front of cameras and crowds. Their side has been destroying us by spending our money on the worst kinds of fraud and corrupt things with zero interest in American power.... and until congress becomes a highly unattractive job (security removed / absolutely no way to make money or wealth off of it etc), we will continue seeing spending happen.

This is not copium. This is not mental gymnastics. I have been honestly searching myself over this insane type of spending. And, still if you held a gun to my head, I'd want to not spend it.... but.... that's because i want to believe we can "turn this thing around." I want to believe America isn't -already- past the point of no return. I want to believe that voting Americans will come to their senses and start voting conservative (not just GOP, and not establishment fks) and the liberal party dies off.... and THEN we can start picking and choosing our leadership to become less interested in big government and big spending.

The reality is.... we are fking stuck where we are. We have made our bed. We are going to keep spending, and there's nothing any of us can do about it. Either OUR side continues to garner power and support by spending, or the commies gain control again at mid terms, stall out Trumps remaining 2 years, and then get the Presidency again possibly.

Gentlemen, we are at the point where our country's ills are at a head. We either sack up and maintain control and popularity, or we die. It's better that this type of psychotic spending is spent on things that may generate a legitimate ROI, and go to America-first causes. I believe the only way out of this mess is through.

In the end, who are we borrowing from? And what are they betting on? Yes, they bet on all sides of the many wars going on in the world strategically, but they're still betting PLENTY of chips on us emerging the victor in the next stable era (if that ever happens).

I am personally conceding that we live in a fallen world that is bound for -really- hard times before things get better. It seems inevitable. Better we give OUR side the best chance to prove its the better of the two major political parties.

When was the last time a bill was spent that -actually- was vested in American interests?

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We have before us the first, and likely only, bill that I have and likely will ever see that will cut entitlements in any way.

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How much will benefits be cut by this bill?

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I predict we will never see this come up again if this does not pass.

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I predict we will never cuts if this bill passes.

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The reality is.... we are fking stuck where we are. We have made our bed. We are going to keep spending, and there's nothing any of us can do about it. Either OUR side continues to garner power and support by spending, or the commies gain control again at mid terms, stall out Trumps remaining 2 years, and then get the Presidency again possibly.

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We definitely can fix it, but the reality is that the guardrails are so entrenched that we have to pass bills in a specific way or we can't pass anything at all. The people opposed to this bill are lying and pretending that isn't true.

I love it when a poster makes a dumb arse comment like this.

Bill does not = budget.

The U.S. government's fiscal year runs from October 1st to September 30th of the following year. Each fiscal year is designated by the calendar year in which it ends. Therefore, the current fiscal year, which started on October 1st, 2024, is Fiscal Year 2025 and will end on September 30th, 2025.

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The "we have to pass something, even it sucks" is *your* argument. That is the similarity.

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I don't think this bill sucks, so no that is not my argument. Not even close.

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None of that matters. I never said this should be bi-partisan bill. That's all stuff you made up in your head.

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Of course you did. You brought up Obamacare. It was not a "we have to pass something, even if it sucks," it was "we have to pass something and we refuse to work with the Republicans who are trying to amend it."

You making a bad analogy doesn't mean I should interpret it some different way.

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Passing the bloated bill will keep dems from taking over.

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Not sure what you enjoyed about the last 4 years of Dem rule, but more power to you if you want to believe it's the same.

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How much will benefits be cut by this bill?

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Completely cuts benefits to illegal immigrants.

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The answer is (statically) none. Illegal benefit cuts can easily be passed in a separate bill, and every conservative in Congress would join in.

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I don't think we know what the full impact of work requirements will be tbh. I think it will be massive.

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When do those go into effect?

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We certainly won't get them if it doesn't, so I guess you won't have to worry about if your prediction becomes true.

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Or maybe we could work on some bills with acutal cuts?

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Pretty soon, they will start the "we will pass it next time" lines.


LOL. They are just anti trump. It's more than clear because they attack him no matter what is going on.

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It really is very transparent once you actually address their "arguments." They have no legitimate complaints about the bill and appear to know actually nothing about what's in it.