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re: Time to pull tax exemptions from churches
Posted on 2/1/25 at 1:08 pm to RobbBobb
Posted on 2/1/25 at 1:08 pm to RobbBobb
This is my opinion also. If a non-profit (whether church or other 501) can't make it based off of donations due to its cause then it shouldn't make it.
I don't think a church that exists due to charitable contributions should be subject to income tax though. Most aren't profitable, and the donations normally come from after tax dollars. There is kind of a break for charitable donations as an itemized deduction, but most people don't itemize on their tax returns plus they don't get a break for the FICA taxes they already paid when it was earned.
Also, the church and its employees pay FICA taxes on wages except for pastors who have to pay self-employment taxes on their housing and wages on their personal tax return unless they opt out of Social Security and Medicare (which means they won't receive those benefits).
I'm a regular church-goer and a CPA who mainly prepares tax returns. I also do some bookkeeping for a few churches.
I don't think a church that exists due to charitable contributions should be subject to income tax though. Most aren't profitable, and the donations normally come from after tax dollars. There is kind of a break for charitable donations as an itemized deduction, but most people don't itemize on their tax returns plus they don't get a break for the FICA taxes they already paid when it was earned.
Also, the church and its employees pay FICA taxes on wages except for pastors who have to pay self-employment taxes on their housing and wages on their personal tax return unless they opt out of Social Security and Medicare (which means they won't receive those benefits).
I'm a regular church-goer and a CPA who mainly prepares tax returns. I also do some bookkeeping for a few churches.
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Posted on 2/1/25 at 1:18 pm to tigerinexile
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Even more reason to not put money in the basket
Throw it out the window of your moving car, then. You should tithe for your own spirtual well-being. If you're not doing it for that reason then you're not getting your money's worth.
Posted on 2/1/25 at 1:20 pm to prplngldtigr
I’ve never understood why they are exempt to begin with.
Posted on 2/1/25 at 1:21 pm to Diamondawg
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You cast a broad net. Why not address the real problem with the problem makers rather than toss all Churches into the same mold?
So discriminate? Nah, your little church can pay taxes too.
Sick and tired of the freeloaders in this country. Jesus didn’t want me to work for 50 years paying taxes so you can have free shite. frick off.
This post was edited on 2/1/25 at 1:23 pm
Posted on 2/1/25 at 1:22 pm to millsrat
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This is my opinion also. If a non-profit (whether church or other 501) can't make it based off of donations due to its cause then it shouldn't make it.
I don't think a church that exists due to charitable contributions should be subject to income tax though. Most aren't profitable, and the donations normally come from after tax dollars. There is kind of a break for charitable donations as an itemized deduction, but most people don't itemize on their tax returns plus they don't get a break for the FICA taxes they already paid when it was earned.
Also, the church and its employees pay FICA taxes on wages except for pastors who have to pay self-employment taxes on their housing and wages on their personal tax return unless they opt out of Social Security and Medicare (which means they won't receive those benefits).
I'm a regular church-goer and a CPA who mainly prepares tax returns. I also do some bookkeeping for a few churches.
Agreed, denominations that hold tens to hundreds of millions in assets in real estate and stock are a different story.
Most churches I've been to hold no more than 0-6 months reserve to meet expenses.
Many pastors go without pay or go on reduced pay if there is a major expense (roof leak etc...)
Posted on 2/1/25 at 1:57 pm to dgnx6
Business only pays tax on their profit.
What part of the nonprofit do you want to tax or do you want to tax the gross?
Everyone employed at a church pays personal taxes.
My church's property taxes are exempt, but that's local.
My church doesn't pay sales tax, so another local plus state issue.
I don't think you're gonna generate much revenue with your tax the churches plan.
Posted on 2/1/25 at 2:25 pm to Indefatigable
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I’ve never understood why they are exempt to begin with.
That’s because you’re a moron.
Posted on 2/1/25 at 2:30 pm to Indefatigable
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I’ve never understood why they are exempt to begin with.
Religious people are gullible by their very nature.
Posted on 2/1/25 at 2:34 pm to prplngldtigr
I agree churches should lose their nonprofit status.
Churches are businesses.
Churches are businesses.
Posted on 2/1/25 at 2:41 pm to BBONDS25
quote:Indeed. Anyone that wants the government tangled into religion is incredibly short sighted.
That’s because you’re a moron.
It always amazes me when the same
people that say “there’s a wall of separation between church and state” turn around and say “but churches should be taxed.”
Posted on 2/1/25 at 2:43 pm to DisplacedBuckeye
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Religious people are gullible by their very nature.
People who believe this are evil by their very nature.
See how that works slick?
Posted on 2/1/25 at 2:48 pm to The Egg
Maybe in some “so-called” churches but our church uses all money for the glory of God. Last year alone over $100,000 of food and clothing went to those I. Need absolutely free of charge with accountability measures in place so our food and clothing ministry can’t be taken advantage of….so, most churches are good with right intentions and are doing the right thing.
Posted on 2/1/25 at 2:52 pm to prplngldtigr
Totally would support pulling tax exemptions from churches.
All of them.
All of them.
Posted on 2/1/25 at 3:15 pm to Taxing Authority
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It always amazes me when the same
people that say “there’s a wall of separation between church and state” turn around and say “but churches should be taxed.”
Are you always amazed by logic? That wall is most certainly breached by special tax status.
Posted on 2/1/25 at 3:15 pm to DisplacedBuckeye
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DisplacedBuckeye
Posted on 2/1/25 at 3:15 pm to Taxing Authority
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Indeed. Anyone that wants the government tangled into religion is incredibly short sighted. It always amazes me when the same people that say “there’s a wall of separation between church and state” turn around and say “but churches should be taxed.”
100 percent correct.
Posted on 2/1/25 at 3:18 pm to BBONDS25
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1st amendment
You mean this 1st Amendment?
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.
Posted on 2/1/25 at 3:21 pm to shinerfan
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Are you always amazed by logic? That wall is most certainly breached by special tax status.
Exact opposite dummy.
Posted on 2/1/25 at 3:22 pm to shinerfan
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You mean this 1st Amendment?
Yep. Are you unaware of the almost 100 year old Supreme Court case that describes the power to tax as the power to destroy. That’s why I mentioned the 1st amendment. Your ignorance of how it works does not change how it works.
Posted on 2/1/25 at 3:23 pm to BBONDS25
You're making a very stupid argument. Granting special tax status is establishment of religion Words have meanings.
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