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Time for a Malthusian catastrophe to fix this
Posted on 7/13/20 at 10:02 am
Posted on 7/13/20 at 10:02 am
We have reached a point in our collective culture where it’s time to thin the herd.
Covid tried but so far has failed
The riots and looting haven’t started the expected deaths
Terrorist and rogue nations haven’t nuked us
Pollution didn’t kill us
Climate change/global warming/global cooling hasn’t happened
Will is be an asteroid in October? Yellowstone super volcano?
Because something has to give. We are about 40 years overdue for a Malthus event.
Covid tried but so far has failed
The riots and looting haven’t started the expected deaths
Terrorist and rogue nations haven’t nuked us
Pollution didn’t kill us
Climate change/global warming/global cooling hasn’t happened
Will is be an asteroid in October? Yellowstone super volcano?
Because something has to give. We are about 40 years overdue for a Malthus event.
This post was edited on 7/13/20 at 11:51 am
Posted on 7/13/20 at 10:19 am to Smokeyone
Historically the only remedy for these type of events has been a prolonged conflict.
Posted on 7/13/20 at 10:37 am to Smokeyone
All someone has to do is hit the power grid in the right places and mother nature will do the rest.
I'm not advocating for this at all. It would be awful. Most of these city dwellers have no idea the kind of danger something as simple as that would put them in.
I'm not advocating for this at all. It would be awful. Most of these city dwellers have no idea the kind of danger something as simple as that would put them in.
Posted on 7/13/20 at 10:42 am to Smokeyone
Few have been so wrong yet venerated so much as Thomas Malthus.
Posted on 7/13/20 at 10:46 am to Smokeyone
A million tear gas canisters upside antifa and BLM skulls would be a nice start.
Posted on 7/13/20 at 10:48 am to Smokeyone
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thin the heard.
Do you mean "herd?"
Posted on 7/13/20 at 10:51 am to Smokeyone
I don’t necessarily think that is the answer... way too many stupid people to even make a dent.
Balkanization my friend, fortified city-states.
You want to abolish the police and live in filth? Be my fricking guest, but bring your bullshite to my community and you will be shot on sight.
Might as well get rid of government entitlement programs too while we are at it. Time to just cut bait and move forward.
Balkanization my friend, fortified city-states.
You want to abolish the police and live in filth? Be my fricking guest, but bring your bullshite to my community and you will be shot on sight.
Might as well get rid of government entitlement programs too while we are at it. Time to just cut bait and move forward.
Posted on 7/13/20 at 10:53 am to Tchefuncte Tiger
quote:
Do you mean "herd?"
Well the anarchists can get awfully loud.
Posted on 7/13/20 at 10:55 am to N.O. via West-Cal
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Few have been so wrong yet venerated so much as Thomas Malthus.
Malthus was a VERY smart guy. His idea of geometric population increases was correct. His error was the earth's carrying capacity. In his day carrying capacity was not global. It was within a small biosphere.
The short explanation of geometric:
Pop is determined by female fertility rates. If Greta dies at 85 the obit will say 'survived by 4 children, 14 grandchildren and 22 great grand children.'
But if Greta tries to cross the ocean in a sailboat at 16 and drowns those 40 people will never exist.
Malthus was also right about natural checks that no longer exist. In his day natural checks kept SubSah Africa populations under control. They were too stupid to feed themselves during periods of drought or disease so they died. Now the west ships them food and they overpopulate beyond their ability to be self sufficient. Thus, they are forever dependent on aid.
Posted on 7/13/20 at 10:59 am to OchoDedos
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Historically the only remedy for these type of events has been a prolonged conflict.
Or not so prolonged, in the great scheme of things. The French Revolution, Bolshevik Revolution, and Spanish Civil War didn't take all that long. Decisive winners, death to the losers, all wrapped up in under a decade.
Posted on 7/13/20 at 11:00 am to OchoDedos
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Historically the only remedy for these type of events has been a prolonged conflict.
No it hasn't. Prolonged conflicts often see a corresponding bump in fertility rates. The overall population has seen continuous since the 14th century or so, and the 20th century saw an explosion of growth, even though 7 of the 15 largest death tolls by conflict have occurred during the 20th century. The notion that conflicts show an overall depression in population or population growth isn't well-supported.
Posted on 7/13/20 at 11:08 am to Tchefuncte Tiger
quote:
thin the heard.
Do you mean "herd?"
Perhaps Amber Heard has been putting on weight since divorcing Johnny Depp
And as I would never violate board Rules...
Posted on 7/13/20 at 11:10 am to Zach
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In his day natural checks kept SubSah Africa populations under control. They were too stupid to feed themselves during periods of drought or disease so they died.
The mathematical formulation of the geometric growth model specifically accounts for an increase of births during a specific period, and the decline of infant mortality is what buttressed African population growth, just like Europe and the rest of the developed world before it. Stupidity, war, colonialism, etc, aren't sufficient explanations for African population growth in the post-war era. The only explanation that holds is the demographic transition model.
Posted on 7/13/20 at 11:33 am to crazy4lsu
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the decline of infant mortality is what buttressed African population growth, just like Europe and the rest of the developed world before it.
Decline in infant mortality made Europe adjust birth rates, not Africa. It's overcompensation theory as they see excessively large families (9.2 per female in Nigeria) as insurance against the lack of a govt safety net, tribal warfare, drought and disease. If birth rates adjusted to the carrying capacity of the land then they wouldn't be relying on western aid. Europe does not rely on African aid.
Posted on 7/13/20 at 11:35 am to PsychTiger
Posted on 7/13/20 at 11:43 am to OchoDedos
My wife and I discuss this often. As we've moved out of a rural agriculture-based society into an urban service economy, we've lost the ability to self sustain ourselves.
The quality of life we enjoy has made us soft, we no longer have a common need to work together to survive. Life is all about convenience these days.
Because of that, we aren't worrying about the big issues anymore and everyone has time to focus on issues that are minor in importance but major in impact.
We've gotten soft and the only way for that to change is for something to happen to remind us that we're all in this together. I don't know what that could be. We need a common goal, a shared experience, something to remind us of what's important.
At the start of COVID, I wondered if this might be it as there are very few large scale scenarios that could actually impact our way of life. It isn't going to be COVID. The next most likely scenario is some type of global conflict that threatens our survival as a nation. We're inching closer to that every day.
The quality of life we enjoy has made us soft, we no longer have a common need to work together to survive. Life is all about convenience these days.
Because of that, we aren't worrying about the big issues anymore and everyone has time to focus on issues that are minor in importance but major in impact.
We've gotten soft and the only way for that to change is for something to happen to remind us that we're all in this together. I don't know what that could be. We need a common goal, a shared experience, something to remind us of what's important.
At the start of COVID, I wondered if this might be it as there are very few large scale scenarios that could actually impact our way of life. It isn't going to be COVID. The next most likely scenario is some type of global conflict that threatens our survival as a nation. We're inching closer to that every day.
Posted on 7/13/20 at 11:44 am to PsychTiger
She's fine, but I agree with Depp. You poop in my bed as a joke, It's time for you to go. I don't have room in my life for that kind of crazy.
Posted on 7/13/20 at 11:51 am to Tchefuncte Tiger
quote:
thin the heard.
Do you mean "herd?"
Sorry bad habit I’ve picked up.
Posted on 7/15/20 at 4:36 pm to Zach
"His error was the earth's carrying capacity."
Wouldn't you also agree that he was wrong--and persistently-so--regarding human adaptability? He was not only wrong about overall carrying capacity vs. that of a given locale, he was wrong about what the carrying capacity of a given biosphere could be. According to some now forgotten source, Malthus had some of the information showing how wrong he was even in his lifetime.
I recall hearing years ago at a hunter's safety course that the Malthusian approach has never worked in predicting human population declines but has been helpful in the field of wildlife management. Kinda makes sense. Principles of geometric population increases apply to animals just as well and mitigating technological (or cultural) advances are out the window.
Wouldn't you also agree that he was wrong--and persistently-so--regarding human adaptability? He was not only wrong about overall carrying capacity vs. that of a given locale, he was wrong about what the carrying capacity of a given biosphere could be. According to some now forgotten source, Malthus had some of the information showing how wrong he was even in his lifetime.
I recall hearing years ago at a hunter's safety course that the Malthusian approach has never worked in predicting human population declines but has been helpful in the field of wildlife management. Kinda makes sense. Principles of geometric population increases apply to animals just as well and mitigating technological (or cultural) advances are out the window.
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