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Thoughts on what is taught in Louisiana Public Schools Re: World Religions

Posted on 1/18/18 at 10:45 am
Posted by jwall3
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Posted on 1/18/18 at 10:45 am
So, I am a teacher. I am about to begin teaching a unit on Ancient Rome which, according to the new state scope and sequence, also introduces Christianity and Islam to the students. Judaism is introduced in an earlier unit during River Valley civilizations.

The activity given asks students to read this article from PBS: Three Religions, One God and then complete a chart comparing the religions. I have no problem with this activity. Here is my question:

How do you feel about these specific sections of the article? Each one ends with a how this religion feels about the other religions section.

Judaism:
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Jews do not believe in the prophets after the Jewish prophets, including Jesus and Muhammad. Therefore, they do not subscribe to the idea that Jesus was the Messiah and the son of God, nor do they believe in the teachings of Islam.


Christianity:
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Although Christianity developed out of Judaic texts, Christians do not follow Jewish law. Instead, they believe that the ritualistic Jewish law was abrogated in favor of a universal gospel for all of humanity and the Christian teaching, "Love thy neighbor as thyself." Relationships between Jewish and Christian communities have often been difficult, particularly in Christian Europe. There, Jewish communities were often subject to discrimination and violence at the hands of Christians. Christianity has also had a problematic relationship with Islam. Christians do not accept Muhammad as a prophet. While many Christians in the Middle East converted to Islam during and after the seventh century, the Church hierarchy in Rome and Constantinople considered Islam to be both a political and theological threat. The Crusades were an unsuccessful attempt to reverse the Islamic conquest of the eastern Mediterranean and the holy places of all three monotheistic religions.


Islam:
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Islam sees Judaism and Christianity as earlier versions of Islam, revelations given within the same tradition by Allah but misunderstood over time by their followers. Muslims see Islam as the final, complete, and correct revelation in the monotheistic tradition of the three faiths. The Islamic tradition recognizes many of the Jewish and Christian prophets, including Abraham, Moses, and Jesus (although he is not considered to be the son of God). Many non-Muslims mistakenly believe that Muhammad is the equivalent of Jesus in the Islamic tradition; in fact, it is the Quran that stands in the same central position in Islam as Jesus does in Christianity. Muhammad himself is not divine, but a prophet chosen by God to deliver his message and an example of piety to emulate. Jews and Christians are specifically protected in the Quran as Peoples of the Book, reinforcing their spiritual connection to Islam by virtue of having been given revelations from God. The Islamic legal tradition has upheld the rights of Jews and Christians to maintain their beliefs and practices within their communities in Islamic lands, and this policy of tolerance has generally been upheld.


Basically, Christians have been violent and intolerant. Jews just don't recognize the others. Islam is tolerant and accepts them both peacefully. Just doesn't add up to me.

Your thought?
This post was edited on 1/18/18 at 10:48 am
Posted by DirtyMikeandtheBoys
Member since May 2011
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Posted on 1/18/18 at 10:49 am to
So wait, the State does your job for you?

must be nice
Posted by thebigmuffaletta
Member since Aug 2017
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Posted on 1/18/18 at 10:52 am to
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The Islamic legal tradition has upheld the rights of Jews and Christians to maintain their beliefs and practices within their communities in Islamic lands


Complete and utter horseshite. Islamic invaders ran my Christian ancestors out of Albania and they forced my ancestors in Sicily to pay a tax or convert to Islam.

There is no Islamic tradition of respecting other religions.
Posted by Montezuma
Member since Apr 2013
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Posted on 1/18/18 at 10:53 am to
I suppose you can try and equate ISIS and the caliphate to the Inquisition.
Posted by crazy4lsu
Member since May 2005
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Posted on 1/18/18 at 10:53 am to
Is there a limitation to the era? If we are including the pre-modern era (specifically before the Age of Exploration), then the description of Christian section is more or less accurate, as relationships between Jews and Christians were not good in that era, and the Church hierarchy did see Islam as a threat.

But it is very weird they would leave out the method by which early Islam expanded, which was by the sword and other coercive methods.
Posted by TigerFanInSouthland
Louisiana
Member since Aug 2012
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Posted on 1/18/18 at 10:53 am to
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Jews and Christians are specifically protected in the Quran as Peoples of the Book, reinforcing their spiritual connection to Islam by virtue of having been given revelations from God. The Islamic legal tradition has upheld the rights of Jews and Christians to maintain their beliefs and practices within their communities in Islamic lands, and this policy of tolerance has generally been upheld.




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Christians do not accept Muhammad as a prophet.


Because he’s not. He’s a murdering, serial rapist.

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While many Christians in the Middle East converted to Islam during and after the seventh century,


At sword point.

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Relationships between Jewish and Christian communities have often been difficult


Except the fact that Israel, a Jewish nation, is one of our biggest allies.
This post was edited on 1/18/18 at 10:59 am
Posted by prplngldtigr
just up da bayou from down
Member since Dec 2004
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Posted on 1/18/18 at 10:54 am to
Wow ... just wow.

Your concerns are valid.
What are your plans to address this garbage and not lose your job?
Posted by demtigers73
Coastal Club
Member since Aug 2014
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Posted on 1/18/18 at 10:55 am to
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Islam is tolerant and accepts them both peacefully.




Total bullshite!!!
Posted by Y.A. Tittle
Member since Sep 2003
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Posted on 1/18/18 at 10:57 am to
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Ancient Rome which, according to the new state scope and sequence, also introduces Christianity and Islam to the students.


Ummmmm
Posted by uway
Member since Sep 2004
33109 posts
Posted on 1/18/18 at 10:59 am to
The highlighted part in the Christian section is right but one sided.

The highlighted in the Islam section may be true in regards to the Quran, but it purposefully misses the forest for the trees.

I don’t want my kids learning any of that from government agents.
Posted by tiderider
Member since Nov 2012
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Posted on 1/18/18 at 10:59 am to
the activity is assigned by the school or district?
Posted by TigerFanInSouthland
Louisiana
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Posted on 1/18/18 at 11:00 am to
I would just love to see their reasoning behind their assertion of Goat frickers being a religion of peace.
Posted by Centinel
Idaho
Member since Sep 2016
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Posted on 1/18/18 at 11:01 am to
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I would just love to see their reasoning behind their assertion of Goat frickers being a religion of peace.



Because once they kill or convert everyone it's peaceful?
Posted by TigerFanInSouthland
Louisiana
Member since Aug 2012
28065 posts
Posted on 1/18/18 at 11:01 am to
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I don’t want my kids learning any of that from government agents


Exactly, that kind of teaching has no place in schools. Should stay in the home.
Posted by Jorts R Us
Member since Aug 2013
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Posted on 1/18/18 at 11:02 am to
There’s a definite slant.
Posted by jwall3
Member since Jun 2008
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Posted on 1/18/18 at 11:05 am to
The activity is suggested by the state in their new Scope and Sequence for social studies 6th grade. Basically, an overview of what students should know and be able to do in order to pass the LEAP 2025 test in the Spring. Any teacher may, if they clear it with their district or school, change these sources and activities up. For our purposes here in the Political Board, I was using the snow day to get ahead and check out what the state is suggesting for the next unit. Was curious if anyone else thought this was a very one sided take on these religions.
Posted by Bard
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Member since Oct 2008
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Posted on 1/18/18 at 11:11 am to
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Basically, Christians have been violent and intolerant. Jews just don't recognize the others. Islam is tolerant and accepts them both peacefully. Just doesn't add up to me.

Your thought?


My thought is that you are absolutely right. There's no way on God's green earth I would teach that slanted version to my class if I were a teacher.

Judaism: the definition is decent.

Christianity: Although Christianity developed out of Judaic texts, Christians do not follow Jewish law. Instead, they believe that the ritualistic Jewish law was abrogated in favor of a universal gospel for all of humanity and the Christian teaching, "Love thy neighbor as thyself." Christians view Jews as refusing to move forward and Muslims as following a false prophet.

Islam: Islam sees Judaism and Christianity as earlier versions of Islam, revelations given within the same tradition by Allah but misunderstood over time by their followers. Muslims see Islam as the final, complete, and correct revelation in the monotheistic tradition of the three faiths. The Islamic tradition recognizes many of the Jewish and Christian prophets, including Abraham, Moses, and Jesus (although he is not considered to be the son of God).



That's about all it needs. All 3 are covered to equal measure without getting into politics.
Posted by Bunsbert Montcroff
Phoenix AZ / Boise ID
Member since Jan 2008
5497 posts
Posted on 1/18/18 at 11:11 am to
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But it is very weird they would leave out the method by which early Islam expanded, which was by the sword and other coercive methods.

i think it's useful to make a distinction between the spread of the early islamic empires, like the umayyads and abassids (which spread through military conquest), and the spread of the islamic religion (which occurred in phases for varied reasons - remember that non-arabs were barred from converting to islam during the early umayyad conquests).

edited to add - and just for the record that site does acknowledge muslim extremist violence against middle eastern christians.
This post was edited on 1/18/18 at 11:18 am
Posted by Bard
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Posted on 1/18/18 at 11:12 am to
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Ummmmm




I think what they mean is that period in time (at least that's what I hope they mean).
Posted by airfernando
Member since Oct 2015
15248 posts
Posted on 1/18/18 at 11:13 am to
Your view on this should be the same as anything else: anything or anybody who says that Jesus isn't the Messiah and son of God Almighty is a liar. Islam is purely Satanic garbage and a false religion.
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