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mrgreenpants
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re: This is why Fauci pushed Remdesivir
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Always follow the money.


...and the white rabbit.






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longwayfromLA
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re: This is why Fauci pushed Remdesivir
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So maybe now is a good time to quit posting like you are. Thanks and have a pleasant evening.


Let me get this right. I'm the one who conceded that I'm not an expert and therefore am willing to defer to those who are. And you're the one who is saying that you know better than the WHO/CDC/FDA whatever their faults even though you have absolutely no expertise whatsoever. Yet somehow I'm who posting as if I'm an expert? Funny how that works.


IslandBuckeye
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re: This is why Fauci pushed Remdesivir
Critically reading medical journals is part of my job for over 2 decades. I read the article the day it was published online, in the conclusions the author presented "potential" issues. I knew it was bull shite.

Then letters from others poured in. Two days later the article was pulled. What does that tell you?


longwayfromLA
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re: This is why Fauci pushed Remdesivir
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Critically reading medical journals is part of my job for over 2 decades. I read the article the day it was published online, in the conclusions the author presented "potential" issues. I knew it was bull shite.

Then letters from others poured in. Two days later the article was pulled. What does that tell you?



I have not referenced anything other than the letter the FDA published revoking emergency use authorization for hydroxychloroquine as a treatment for covid as they had concluded it had both safety and efficacy issues. I have no reason to believe I know more than they do on this subject, so I'm deferring to their expertise. If you think you know better than them, fine, free country and all. Encouraging the practice of evidence-based medicine is part of my job.

Anyhow, it's still backward for you to suggest that I'm holding myself out as an expert when it's you who is substituting your knowledge for people who have more experience, expertise, access to information, and skin in the game. But again, free country, right?


DavidTheGnome
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re: This is why Fauci pushed Remdesivir
Personally I don’t care what is used so long as it’s in agreement between the patient and the doctor, they could inject them full of heroine for all I care. It’s just weird how y’all cheerlead for hydroxychloroquine simply because Trump tweeted about it.


jimmy the leg
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re: This is why Fauci pushed Remdesivir
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I have not referenced anything other than the letter the FDA published revoking emergency use authorization for hydroxychloroquine as a treatment for covid as they had concluded it had both safety and efficacy issues.


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In decades of widespread use, HCQ has an impressive safety record. Irregular heart rhythm or damage to the retina occur rarely, usually with high doses used long term. FDA shows only 62 cardiac deaths attributed to HCQ out of more than 50 million prescriptions, or 0.000124 percent (1.2 out of each 1 million Rx). Rheumatology guidelines for lupus and rheumatoid arthritis do not even require baseline electrocardiograms before prescribing HCQ, since the risk is minimal.


Hmmmmmm, now what could make the FDA radically change their conclusions? I mean, for 70 years of observations to be summarily dismissed, only to suddenly promote “safety concerns,” it’s a head scratcher. Either the FDA had it wrong for SEVEN DECADES, or they are intentionally manufacturing and / or manipulating data. Either way, it is tantamount to either gross ineptitude, or corruption. Both of these are TERRIBLE options for citizens concerning trust in the FDA.


tissle
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Lying? What do I know? I'm not drug researcher. On the other hand, the agency we've set up specifically to evaluate these things has concluded that it doesn't help and revoked support for its use in treating covid-19. Many EU countries have concluded the same and done the same. I'm inclined to trust them more than you random stranger who definitely doesn't study drug effectiveness for a living.


The frick are you doing bringing facts and logic you stinking liburl! Emperor trump said hydroxy works so it works...and if any so called scientists tells you it doesn't then they are wrong and Trump is right!!!!


Powerman
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re: This is why Fauci pushed Remdesivir
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IMO, regn-cov2 will put this stuff to bed by summer's end

Not to get all conspiracy theorist here but recently the founder and chief science officer of that company got "cancelled" by remarks he have at a highschool graduation ceremony. Why would someone of that stature be giving a speech at a highschool graduation ceremony?


BamaBaws
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re: This is why Fauci pushed Remdesivir
And the research for Remdesivir was paid for with our tax dollars (I believe we spent 70 million on it but I only skimmed the article so please dont quote that number).

Its ours, we paid for it, why are they charging us a god damn dime?
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GumboPot
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re: This is why Fauci pushed Remdesivir
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I have not referenced anything other than the letter the FDA published revoking emergency use authorization for hydroxychloroquine as a treatment for covid as they had concluded it had both safety and efficacy issues


You left out “under a hospital setting” just like fake news did on purpose. Is still recommended under doctors’ supervision and doctors are still prescribing HCQ.


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IslandBuckeye
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re: This is why Fauci pushed Remdesivir
In regards to the FDA, you posted:

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I have no reason to believe I know more than they do


Maybe you should start paying attention to the FDA and some of their approval processes. If you do not you had best never bitch about the price of the meds you and yours have to pay. Go ahead and cheer for big Pharma and their practices.

As I posted previously, I have had a professional interest in this for a long time. I used to love reading about new drug developments. Then I became responsible for drug budgets in several hospitals. Then companies began putting out a bunch of "me too" drugs. Those are drugs in the same class that offer minimal if any benefits and carry greater cost. The studies went from showing superiority to "noninferiority". Guess you support that mentality too? Or are you simply another hypocrite from the left.


jimmy the leg
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re: This is why Fauci pushed Remdesivir
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Not to get all conspiracy theorist here but recently the founder and chief science officer of that company got "cancelled" by remarks he have at a highschool graduation ceremony. Why would someone of that stature be giving a speech at a highschool graduation ceremony?


It does seem odd. However, here are some plausible reasons:

He went to school there

His child went to school there

A god child or relative went to school there

The school is near the research facility

The facility has a partnership with the school


On another note, could you link the story?


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CoachChappy
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re: This is why Fauci pushed Remdesivir
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The frick are you doing bringing facts and logic you stinking liburl!

He hasn’t posted a single fact. Go cry about Trump somewhere else.


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cokebottleag
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re: This is why Fauci pushed Remdesivir
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Personally I don’t care what is used so long as it’s in agreement between the patient and the doctor, they could inject them full of heroine for all I care. It’s just weird how y’all cheerlead for hydroxychloroquine simply because Trump tweeted about it.



My reasons for cheerleading HCQ were before Trump said anything about it; the drug is common, low side effects, and cheap.

The cheap and common parts were exactly why I knew it was going to be fought against.

Remdesevir was only ever suggested for the reason that it is a failed AIDS drug. It's going to lose Gilead millions, because they developed it and then it didn't work. That's why they're pushing it.


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idlewatcher
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re: This is why Fauci pushed Remdesivir
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To be fair, one of them works and the other one definitely doesn't so there's that. Anyhow, $3,120 as a non-negotiated charge before the payers' discount is not so bad or rather it could be much worse.


Then please explain how my good friend, CV+, is on the mend with a HCQ/Az cocktail. Must be an odd coincidence.


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longwayfromLA
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re: This is why Fauci pushed Remdesivir
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Hmmmmmm, now what could make the FDA radically change their conclusions? I mean, for 70 years of observations to be summarily dismissed, only to suddenly promote “safety concerns,” it’s a head scratcher. Either the FDA had it wrong for SEVEN DECADES, or they are intentionally manufacturing and / or manipulating data. Either way, it is tantamount to either gross ineptitude, or corruption. Both of these are TERRIBLE options for citizens concerning trust in the FDA.



I'm not saying the FDA can't be wrong. I'm saying I am in no real position to evaluate whether or not they are. So its either trust the FDA or trust random internet people who insist that the FDA is involved in a giant conspiracy. I think we just come out on different sides of that question, no biggie.


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longwayfromLA
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re: This is why Fauci pushed Remdesivir
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You left out “under a hospital setting” just like fake news did on purpose.


The FDA letter only referenced outpatients treated with hydroxychloroquine one time and that was to say:

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numerous clinical trials have
been in progress studying treatment of outpatients with COVID-19 or use of HCQ or CQ for preor post-exposure prophylaxis. One such trial conducted under U.S. IND recently published results showing no significant difference in development of symptomatic illness compatible with COVID-19 between HCQ and placebo recipients for post-exposure prophylaxis, though with
limitations that outcomes were largely self-reported with little opportunity for laboratory
confirmation.


All I know was that all the docs in NY gave this drug out like candy in April when we didn't know for sure if it worked, but it was worth the risk to try. But now that we know it doesn't do anything, they no longer prescribe for COVID patients.

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Is still recommended under doctors’ supervision and doctors are still prescribing HCQ.

To my knowledge, it was never recommended. And indeed I'm not sure the mechanism that it could have been recommend. It was just permitted. Who actually recommending this drug and when?


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longwayfromLA
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re: This is why Fauci pushed Remdesivir
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Guess you support that mentality too? Or are you simply another hypocrite from the left.


I suppose its easy to argue with someone if you get to assign their positions to them. I'm sorry that it hurt your feelings that Trump's FDA cautioned against the drug you wanted. You'll be alright; I promise.


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Tiguar
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re: This is why Fauci pushed Remdesivir
Meh. Plasma therapy has been hugely underwhelming in a real world environment. Guess we’ll see.
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