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This Current Political Schism: The Paranoid Temptation of The Right.

Posted on 12/13/25 at 10:00 am
Posted by Lsupimp
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Posted on 12/13/25 at 10:00 am
Watching certain “Hamas Bros” on the Right pivot overnight to Candace Owens’ newest theory reminds me how skillfully she keeps her followers on a string — moving them from one conspiracy to the next without pause. The pattern is familiar: the details change, but the central premise never does — that “the Jews are up to something.” As long as that idea stays at the core, the movement follows wherever she leads.

What’s striking isn’t just the content — it’s the appetite. Many seem to want to be deceived, so long as the deception flatters their worldview. Challenge that narrative, and you’re instantly cast out, treated like a traitor by a mob that mirrors the worst instincts of the progressive Left. You can agree with them on 97 percent of issues, but if you touch the sacred 3 percent — the conspiracy at the core — you’re done.

Students of the conservative movement have seen this before. William F. Buckley Jr. faced the same dilemma when he drew the line against the John Birch Society in the early 1960s. He agreed with the Birchers on most policy goals — anti-Communism, limited government, the defense of Western values — yet he recognized that their conspiratorial mindset would destroy conservatism’s intellectual credibility if left unchecked.

Buckley wrote:

We are obliged to say that Mr. Welch’s views on current affairs are, in our judgment, not only inaccurate but, in some cases, paranoid.”

“How can the John Birch Society be an instrument of anticommunism when its leader accuses men like President Eisenhower of being conscious agents of the Communist conspiracy?”

“Mr. Welch, in attributing to the leadership of the United States government a treasonous conspiracy, has joined the ranks of those who give aid and comfort to the enemy by confusing and dividing the anti-Communist cause.”


That act of boundary-setting — Buckley’s “intellectual housekeeping” — allowed conservatism to evolve from the fever swamps to a disciplined, reality-based movement that produced Goldwater and, eventually, Reagan and Limbaugh before consolidating in an anti- Marxist, anti- Woke populist movement that blended all these defenses of American traditions , principles, ideals and Institutions in a broader electorally- coalition under Donald J. Trump.

We’re now watching a similar reckoning unfold. Both sides are in WIDE agreement and are not natural enemies. But once again, the choice is between disciplined skepticism and paranoid suspicion. And once again, the health of the entire conservative project and whether we are cast into the wilds and dominated by Progressives and Progressivism may hinge on which side wins and whether the two can agree to coexist within these disagreements.
Posted by BoomerandSooner
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Posted on 12/13/25 at 10:12 am to
Some people will believe anything they are told.
Some people will believe nothing they are told.
I believe I am always right, so piss off.

Roger
Posted by the808bass
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Posted on 12/13/25 at 10:15 am to
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the health of the entire conservative project


Conservatism is dead. The Republican leeches in Congress killed it. We let them.
Posted by Lsupimp
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Posted on 12/13/25 at 10:19 am to
Of course- but that happened almost two generations ago. The ideas persist and bind us in a larger coalition of political philosophy. We win on ideas and lose in the execution.
Posted by cajunangelle
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Posted on 12/13/25 at 10:22 am to
Qatar v israel. Tucker is bending over backwards saying Qatar should be the new israel.

It is nuts. The joos aren't the only lobbyists in town. You have to appease both for peace. Trump did this with the Abraham accords 2.0.

It is an op to divide and make joos not cool to fracture the youth. How about they are all asshats wirh divisive agendas? Shapiro. Tucker, Candace, Fuentes.

Proof that candy is performing an op is her saying she doesn't care about elections...

If she wants a non UK like, marxist America she better care. Her husband wants divide or he would rein her in.
Posted by the808bass
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Posted on 12/13/25 at 10:32 am to
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but that happened almost two generations ago.


1988 at the earliest. I guess that’s close to two generations.

Probably cemented around 2002-2004.
Posted by SCLibertarian
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Posted on 12/13/25 at 10:37 am to
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William F. Buckley Jr. faced the same dilemma when he drew the line against the John Birch Society in the early 1960s. 

Buckley's brand of conservatism and making pariahs of paleoconservatives is precisely why the Republican Party was captured by neocon globalists and Atlanticists for the better part of a half century.
Posted by Toomer Deplorable
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Posted on 12/13/25 at 10:47 am to
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That act of boundary-setting — Buckley’s “intellectual housekeeping” — allowed conservatism to evolve from the fever swamps to a disciplined, reality-based movement that produced Goldwater and, eventually,



Senator Robert A. Taft — known as “Mr. Conservatism” — was a staunch conservative who consistently supported the principles of limited government and fiscal responsibility.

As a leader of the Republican Party, Taft opposed extensive government intervention in the economy, reflecting a broader conservative ethos that emphasized personal freedom and local governance.

Though a staunch anti-communist, Robert Taft consistently applied these non-interventionist principles to foreign policy and thus opposed NATO.

Taft argued that such undue military alliances could lead to foreign entanglements and a commitment of American resources and troop placements abroad, potentially infringing on U.S. sovereignty.

So a consistent, disciplined conservative movement existed before the emergence of former OSS operative and CIA apologist William F. Buckley.



Posted by High C
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Posted on 12/13/25 at 10:50 am to
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We win on ideas and lose in the execution.


Yes, because those tasked with said execution are not truly concerned with the will of the people they represent. To be a national level politician is America today requires certain characteristics, and serving your constituents isn’t one of them. Unhinged greed and corruption, along with a hunger for power drives these people, and our government is incapable of functioning in the way it was designed to function because of it. Side doesn’t matter.
Posted by Bunk Moreland
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Posted on 12/13/25 at 10:51 am to
Trump brought in some libertarians, anti-establishment leftists, and a lot of people on the right sick of the neocons. That coalition was going to break apart at some point. Charlie was good at bringing all of that and the GOPe together. Candace probably is a fed trying to break it all apart. Or, her act simply makes money.
Posted by Y.A. Tittle
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Posted on 12/13/25 at 10:56 am to
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Charlie was good at bringing all of that and the GOPe together. Candace probably is a fed trying to break it all apart. Or, her act simply makes money.


Why not both?
Posted by Gaspergou202
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Posted on 12/13/25 at 10:57 am to
The big question is how much influence Candace actually has, and is her influence waxing or waning?

I’ve never gone out of my way to acquaint myself with her opinion, and this current stupidity is not changing my mind.
Posted by Lsupimp
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Posted on 12/13/25 at 11:04 am to
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Buckley's brand of conservatism and making pariahs of paleoconservatives is precisely why the Republican Party was captured by neocon globalists and Atlanticists for the better part of a half century.


Ahh, someone else remembers our boy Pat and how he was demonized by "polite" Conservatives. Of course, like this thread and my premise, we are all bouncing off each other, in real time-in broad but not total agreement-in a gigantic coalition under the Conservative heading.
Posted by Evolved Simian
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Posted on 12/13/25 at 11:09 am to
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How about they are all asshats wirh divisive agendas? Shapiro. Tucker, Candace


Grifters, ya.

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Fuentes.


This one is driven from outside the US. It's a whole different breed of evil.
Posted by Lsupimp
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Posted on 12/13/25 at 11:13 am to
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So a consistent, disciplined conservative movement existed before


Well, sure. One can take it back to The Founding in this country if we were talking political philosophy. But I was talking about the modern Conservative MOVEMENT, a mid-20th Century school, which WFB Jr. was instrumental in building, Stuff like anti-Communism, defending against Cold War Liberalism, civil right. etc. Taft, part of a longer tradition of Constitutional Conservatism dating back to the Founding.
Posted by Sizzle_DAWG
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Posted on 12/13/25 at 11:19 am to
Dude, if you’re Jewish just admit it. We’ll at least understand your biases. That’s literally the only topic you seem to care about Pimpenstein.
This post was edited on 12/13/25 at 11:19 am
Posted by Toomer Deplorable
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Posted on 12/13/25 at 11:19 am to
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Trump brought in some libertarians, anti-establishment leftists, and a lot of people on the right sick of the neocons. That coalition was going to break apart at some point. Charlie was good at bringing all of that and the GOPe together.


Kirk was the anti-Trump and I do not mean that as a shot at Trump. Kirk just had a gift for presenting MAGA principles in a consistent ideological manner.

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Candace probably is a fed trying to break it all apart. Or, her act simply makes money


I am frankly sick of hearing about Candace Owens. What affect does Candace Owens have my life?

Zilch. Yet there are 2 separate multi-page threads floating around the first page just today on Candace Owens.



Yet there is no doubt in my mind Marco Rubio is trying to expunge all anti-interventionist voices from the MAGA coalition. I wish Trump good luck with the neocons watching his back — he is going to need it.

Posted by Sizzle_DAWG
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Posted on 12/13/25 at 11:21 am to
Neocons are an offshoot of Trotsky communists from the USSR.
Posted by Lsupimp
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Member since Nov 2003
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Posted on 12/13/25 at 11:33 am to
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Dude, if you’re Jewish just admit it. We’ll at least understand your biases. That’s literally the only topic you seem to care about Pimpenstein.


Sizzle coming in to demonstrate the paranoid and ugly nature of the Candace Panty Sniffing Hamas Bros. You are with them, or you are a Jew.

For the record-I'm Catholic. My father was a Methodist and my mother Irish Catholic. But people like Sizzle here-NEED ME to be a Jew. And if not a Jew-then a fundamentalist bible thumper who believes in biblical prophecy. I am not that either. But a guy like this just demonstrates the mentality of that wing of the Right. And even though we probably agree on 95% of philosophical principles-because the highly paranoid antisemitic urge is at the center of him-we get low IQ, super hostile rants like that.

Really-that response is a textbook example of the way the Progressive temperament has merged with the paranoid wing of Conservatism and coalesced around this antisemitic mantra. At the center of all things bad: The Joobs. At the center of everyone who disagrees with them: A Joob. And somehow, at the center of it, they've wrapped this around the assassination of Charlie Kirk. It's pretty bizarre and a great insight into the current psychology of The Right.
Posted by Toomer Deplorable
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Posted on 12/13/25 at 11:35 am to
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Taft, part of a longer tradition of Constitutional Conservatism dating back to the Founding.


And Buckley’s repeated apologiae for a massive and intrusive national security apparatus ran counter to that tradition.
This post was edited on 12/13/25 at 11:39 am
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