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re: This board is not an echo chamber.
Posted on 8/9/24 at 12:11 pm to the808bass
Posted on 8/9/24 at 12:11 pm to the808bass
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degeneracy
What you call degeneracy is also a symptom of the breakdown of civil society. Again, civil society creates norms that keep people in check. Free people from those norms, they do more and more extreme things.
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Posted on 8/9/24 at 12:12 pm to GumboPot
I wandered over here from the recruiting board but just from reading the topics it does seem to be a very pro-Trump/GOP board but given the demographics, that’s to be expected.
Start a Taylor Swift board and add a political sub-board and I’m sure the reverse would be true.
Without delving deep into the topics and responses I’m sure this board is like any other, there are a couple of topics/groups that you have to be careful in your comments and one group that is completely off-limits for criticism. That’s the case for any social media site.
Start a Taylor Swift board and add a political sub-board and I’m sure the reverse would be true.
Without delving deep into the topics and responses I’m sure this board is like any other, there are a couple of topics/groups that you have to be careful in your comments and one group that is completely off-limits for criticism. That’s the case for any social media site.
Posted on 8/9/24 at 12:12 pm to the808bass
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Me when I make shite up.
Nah, I've got tons of data on this. You wouldn't know about that, though.
Posted on 8/9/24 at 12:14 pm to TxTiger82
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Again, civil society creates norms that keep people in check. Free people from those norms, they do more and more extreme things.
I agree with this. But “civil society” isn’t a weak-willed, amorphous blob that pretends every person’s “own truth” is valuable. It’s quite the opposite.
An actual civil society says, “Hey, dipshit, there’s a reason for sex and gender. And you pretending that it’s just a social construct to advance a Marxist revolution isn’t helpful. Please shut the frick up with your lies.”
Posted on 8/9/24 at 12:14 pm to SidewalkTiger
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A true echo chamber wouldn't let you speak if you have dissenting opinion.
It is because they cant. What do you think they would do if they could?
Posted on 8/9/24 at 12:14 pm to TxTiger82
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Nah, I've got tons of data on this.
Nah, you don’t.
Posted on 8/9/24 at 12:16 pm to the808bass
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Why do you think that is?
Multifactoral.
One, some probably disagree it is grooming.
Two, some probably think you can support lgbtq but draw the line at things that impact kids and project that viewpoint onto their candidate.
Others still may agree it is happening but view other things as equally important and think “both sides” have warts and just vote for who they think will benefit their family the most rather than some greater concept of “direction of the country”.
Political discourse has tried to attach fringes to the mainstream for awhile. For example, if you see a parade with confederate flags and people throwing up Roman salutes, democrats will try to paint them as mainstream
gop supporters.
Conversely, pride parades with kids around actual pedos will be painted as mainstream democrats.
I think this phenomenon has gotten worse with algorithm-driven engagement.
Posted on 8/9/24 at 12:17 pm to Hateradedrink
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f you think 50% of the country is supporting that, I can see why one would be constantly at odds
Then why do they vote for the people that tell them they will do these things?
Posted on 8/9/24 at 12:21 pm to jmarto1
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Yes it is. If you deviate one bit from people on here they attack like they are on reddit
An echo chamber doesn’t mean you won’t get called out. If you say something stupid you will get called out.
If it was an echo chamber you wouldn’t be allowed to express your opinion at all.
You are misunderstanding the definition of an echo chamber. Now if you have thin skin and can’t handle being called out and leave, then that’s on you.
Posted on 8/9/24 at 12:21 pm to Hateradedrink
That’s a fair answer.
I simply cannot identify any points of commonality with someone who defends transitioning kids (largely based on gender roles that the same people told us were irrelevant 20 years ago).
Nor do I desire to find any points of commonality.
I think it’s too easy to blame “algorithms” when the radicalization of the Democrat party is an obvious thing. We went from a Democrat candidate who wouldn’t back gay marriage in public in 2008 to putting tampons in boys bathrooms.
Pretending this is just “how we view each other” misses some of the forest and a lot of the trees.
I simply cannot identify any points of commonality with someone who defends transitioning kids (largely based on gender roles that the same people told us were irrelevant 20 years ago).
Nor do I desire to find any points of commonality.
I think it’s too easy to blame “algorithms” when the radicalization of the Democrat party is an obvious thing. We went from a Democrat candidate who wouldn’t back gay marriage in public in 2008 to putting tampons in boys bathrooms.
Pretending this is just “how we view each other” misses some of the forest and a lot of the trees.
Posted on 8/9/24 at 12:22 pm to GumboPot
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There are boundaries that the admins enforce, like bashing ethnic groups,
Straight bullshite.
Posted on 8/9/24 at 12:22 pm to Leto II
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It 100% is an echo chamber.
False.
Contrary opinions are allowed.
Posted on 8/9/24 at 12:23 pm to TxTiger82
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this is not an echo chamber and liberal views are present on the board. That said ...
I have been posting on this board since early 2004... I have watched as the "conservative" position has radicalized. Liberal opposition is no longer met with debate but with flaming -- which is an older internet-speak word that means something like "policing group norms with hostility and ridicule."
It is election season, so liberals are back. But in normal times, they generally avoid this board now. I count myself among that group. TIFWIW.
I'm registered from the same vintage, but never came onto the politics board until 2017 to try to understand the weird online politics. The trolling culture was there, but there was still a fair amount of civil discussion as well. It's too bad you can't go back and look at threads from those days because I think it would be eye-opening to newer folks how considerably different it was even then.
Posted on 8/9/24 at 12:25 pm to GumboPot
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This place is no where near an echo chamber.
It's an echo chamber in the sense that almost all dissenting opinion from the board majority is unwelcome. You're certainly allowed to post things that go against the grain here but very few people here are willing to have something resembling a civil conversation when they feel the majority opinion is under attack.
Posted on 8/9/24 at 12:25 pm to Leto II
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Oh I get nasty little messages all of the time.
Jesus Christ....
"This place is an echo chamber because people are allowed to disagree with me."
Posted on 8/9/24 at 12:25 pm to the808bass
Nah I think you have an overall point as well.
I think some frog-boiling went on during a shifting of the Overton window on the left.
Some of those fringe viewpoints were allowed to take hold. However, I do think that the issue I am overall taking umbrage with contributed to this.
That is to say, people on the left were too afraid to speak out against the fringe because they didn’t want to be perceived as bigots/republicans. Thus, ideas that should have been rejected actually became point of policy.
You can see how the current environment on the right can lend itself to something similar happening.
I think some frog-boiling went on during a shifting of the Overton window on the left.
Some of those fringe viewpoints were allowed to take hold. However, I do think that the issue I am overall taking umbrage with contributed to this.
That is to say, people on the left were too afraid to speak out against the fringe because they didn’t want to be perceived as bigots/republicans. Thus, ideas that should have been rejected actually became point of policy.
You can see how the current environment on the right can lend itself to something similar happening.
Posted on 8/9/24 at 12:26 pm to Azkiger
I think he's talking about messages from mods.
Posted on 8/9/24 at 12:27 pm to Hateradedrink
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Conversely, pride parades with kids around actual pedos will be painted as mainstream democrats.
That's not that difficult to do when pride parades are supported by mainstream democrats and institutions.
Posted on 8/9/24 at 12:28 pm to TigerDoc
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I think it would be eye-opening to newer folks how considerably different it was even then.
You mean you were treated differently before you went all-in on Russian collusion?
Posted on 8/9/24 at 12:30 pm to the808bass
I'm not primarily talking about me. I'm talking about how there were a number of lib posters who actually had discussions with rightwing posters. It's weird to think about now.
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