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re: These melts are hilarious but the fact remains: LA has no future

Posted on 11/17/19 at 9:33 am to
Posted by Seldom Seen
Member since Feb 2016
48737 posts
Posted on 11/17/19 at 9:33 am to
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now JBE is going to accelerate this decline




Yeah it sucks. Louisiana is like the Venezuela of the South. Rich in resources, should be doing better than the rest, but because of socialism and corruption we are dead last.


And of course jut like over there the mooches who feed off of the corruption have no problem with voting for more of it.
Posted by White Bear
probably
Member since Jul 2014
17620 posts
Posted on 11/17/19 at 9:33 am to
Ferriday is a microcosm for La, baw.
Posted by EZE Tiger Fan
Member since Jul 2004
55454 posts
Posted on 11/17/19 at 9:34 am to
The OP has nailed it.

As much as last night sucked for those of us who live here and produce in the private sector, it really can't get worse than it already is.
Posted by DiamondDog
Louisiana
Member since Nov 2019
13234 posts
Posted on 11/17/19 at 9:36 am to
You want to fix Louisiana? It’s a five headed monster.

1. Freeze new hires across State Government. Propose to decrease State Worker jobs by 25-30% over next 5-8 years.

2. Put together a plan for Tort Reform. Incremental bills.

3. Anoint a Transportation and Education Czar who oversees the behemoth that can focus on remedying two to three big issues in the state. Clear the field of everything else. It’s clutter.

4. Commit to lowering income and business taxes. Offset with use-taxes like state vehicle and road/toll taxes.

5. Seek to abolish teacher unions. At the very least, link pay to performance and negotiate with the union to set performance standards.

Problem is #1 #2 and #5 get yourself burned in effigy in this state.

We’re just too stupid to know better. And that’s the problem.
Posted by cwill
Member since Jan 2005
54755 posts
Posted on 11/17/19 at 9:38 am to
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It's incredibly sad what's happened over the last 10 years.


10 years??? Try 50 or 100. The only things that kept la relevant were the river and o&g...both are fading...the one constant was a shitty, corrupt government and, honestly, a really shitty culture that prioritized festivals and getting drunk (aka culture).
Posted by RCDfan1950
United States
Member since Feb 2007
39646 posts
Posted on 11/17/19 at 9:39 am to
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Meh, we are way less corrupt than before Katrina especially at the state level. Our education policies are working despite JBE. I think there is agreement on early childhood funding which is probably the policy that will move the needle the most. I think you, who often touts how there is a straight forward path for the poor to improve their future, are being overly fatalistic. So for you, I see this as a melt.


We are where we are; the prevailing Culture - from downright heathen to a loving and altruistic-minded citizenry - determines the quality of life for all who live in it. It is the Spirit and Soul the Feeling - of the people that determines real QOL. Rich or poor nws.

Cultures generally move in one (negative v positive) direction or another. It is the Feeling instilled (or not) in a societies' children that determines the future.

JBE has a strong Religious Base; that was a factor in his re-election. Note His Priest front and center on the Stage. His Wife champions the early childhood education cause, supporting the positive shaping of young minds, as opposed to aborting those who statistically, may be future societal negatives. Positive, pro-activism.

JBE IS a hardball Politician. At that level, they do what they have to do to win...or they lose. Race card, etc. Highly problematic sausage making, and racially divisive. We all know the Race thing exists, and aggravating it - especially if or when a 'Katrina scenario' happens - runs the risk of great pain re openly, race-based strife. "Sew the wind...".

One could say that California "has no future". Or any Region with burgeoning populations of culturally problematic individuals, who have no hope in a System which does not fulfill their basic needs, WITHIN their ability to act responsibly (or not). That is Human Nature.

"Where there is no vision, my people die". The OP may be right...there may well be "no solution" for Cultural decay; other that the usual, historical (read "The Fourth Turning") and cyclical version of painful collapse and reboot. But if Louisiana goes down...the contagion will spread.

I don't know about the money stuff, but I do believe that JBE will support Religious Principle in our Schools. And if there is any hope of a unifying power strong enough to turn the Cultural decay tide...it will be Religious Principle-based...along with innovative technology that will change both our Economic and Spiritual paradigms to a degree which we can hardly imagine.

Count me as a realistic optimist. We'll move up...but not without pain.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
476599 posts
Posted on 11/17/19 at 9:42 am to
quote:

a really shitty culture that prioritized festivals and getting drunk (aka culture).

oh man can't tell you how many times i've had THAT discussion (on here and irl)
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
476599 posts
Posted on 11/17/19 at 9:45 am to
your post has a lot of talking points, some that may help long-term, but it ignores the big issues

like state workers. sure we have too many and it's used as political spoils, but our biggest expense (by far) is medicaid. that's only going to keep growing so cutting state workers won't do anything in the face of REAL government spending

education is tied to the parishes, so state control can only do so much. that's a pipe dream

we can't lower taxes and pay for Medicaid, so that's out, too

"tort reform" could theoretically save some money but that's small potatoes in the big picture. it's also not going to improve the state's prospects, only save many of our taxpaying citizens a couple hundred dollars a year. that won't lead to improvement (hell we'll lose a ton of jobs and suffer an even bigger brain drain)
Posted by cwill
Member since Jan 2005
54755 posts
Posted on 11/17/19 at 9:48 am to
It’s the culture...la just has a terrible culture when it comes to organizing and running a state. The la populace is incapable of implementing any “turnaround” policies effectively, and, frankly, the ship has sailed...biz and talent are all flowing to Houston, dfw, Atlanta and a few other hotspots in the south.
Posted by mmcgrath
Indianapolis
Member since Feb 2010
37341 posts
Posted on 11/17/19 at 9:50 am to
quote:

Looks like Trumpony supporters are not handling the loss very well
Louisiana rejected a Trump supporter. There must be a price to pay for defying Dear Leader.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
476599 posts
Posted on 11/17/19 at 9:50 am to
our government gives major incentives for companies to come here and they usually won't, and when they do, it will be like IBM and be a boondoggle finding capable workers (esp for the salaries offered)

also, the movie industry has left for greener pastures as well. our state literally cannot give tax breaks away to bribe companies to come here anymore. that should be a major signal for everyone about our long term prospects
Posted by DiamondDog
Louisiana
Member since Nov 2019
13234 posts
Posted on 11/17/19 at 9:52 am to
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This post was edited on 12/17/21 at 9:07 pm
Posted by makinskrilla
Lafayette, LA
Member since Jun 2009
9754 posts
Posted on 11/17/19 at 9:55 am to
This election was an opportunity to put a pro business guy in office. Could we know for sure if he would have been successful? Of course not. What was the option?

An incumbent that grew the welfare state, increased taxes, wants to raise them further, and does not incentivize companies to bring jobs to Louisiana.

At least we have republicans majorities in the state house and senate to keep him in check. This isn’t the end of the world, but it is a missed opportunity that hurts
Posted by cwill
Member since Jan 2005
54755 posts
Posted on 11/17/19 at 9:56 am to
quote:

our government gives major incentives for companies to come here and they usually won't, and when they do, it will be like IBM and be a boondoggle finding capable workers (esp for the salaries offered)

also, the movie industry has left for greener pastures as well. our state literally cannot give tax breaks away to bribe companies to come here anymore. that should be a major signal for everyone about our long term prospects


There’s no talent in the state and they can’t attract talent to the state...how the frick can you overcome that with tax breaks or any gov policy??

I know of la businesses that had to move out of state to attract the talent they needed to grow.

It’s over, done.
Posted by Parmen
Member since Apr 2016
18317 posts
Posted on 11/17/19 at 10:01 am to
I blame trial lawyers for making Louisiana an unfriendly place for business.
Posted by Parmen
Member since Apr 2016
18317 posts
Posted on 11/17/19 at 10:02 am to
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oh man can't tell you how many times i've had THAT discussion (on here and irl)


Please elaborate
Posted by Freauxzen
Washington
Member since Feb 2006
38658 posts
Posted on 11/17/19 at 10:10 am to
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There ARE Solutions

1. Get rid of the state income tax
2. Hold a constitutional convention to allow for common sense budget reform
3. Lower any taxes that inhibit businesses from starting and operating here
4. Drop napoleonic law
5. Cut entitlements

The problem is no one has the balls to do these things



All o this
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
476599 posts
Posted on 11/17/19 at 10:22 am to
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So what do you propose we do with an uneducated white and black populace? Just slide into a sink hole?

what can we do? if they won't change, we can't make them

and since the demos passed the tipping point, they have the political power to ensure they're taken care of and don't have to change

i mean think about it this way. at least 30-40% of our workforce is not employable in any job above a min wage-level job. at best we get a car plant or something to do menial labor for an increased salary. how can we build any new industry with that population paradigm? that's a serious question
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
476599 posts
Posted on 11/17/19 at 10:22 am to
quote:

You’ve got to do something SFP. You’re governor. What your first three action items....

am i beholden to elections or a dictator?
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
476599 posts
Posted on 11/17/19 at 10:23 am to
quote:

There’s no talent in the state and they can’t attract talent to the state...how the frick can you overcome that with tax breaks or any gov policy??

that's a very concise summary of OP and my other arguments mirroring OP over the years
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