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re: There’s no evidence that a single ‘gay gene’ exists
Posted on 9/4/19 at 7:26 am to NC_Tigah
Posted on 9/4/19 at 7:26 am to NC_Tigah
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Indeed ... and once addicted the analogy works.
Heredity leads to addictive tendency.
It doesn't lead never-exposed individuals to want to drink.
You still haven’t demonstrated the difference you obviously believe.
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Posted on 9/4/19 at 7:40 am to tigeraddict
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run the test in twins. if it is a gene and one is straigh and one gay then it's environment not genetics as both have the same DNA code
No. It’s both genetic and environmental. For the same reason, you can have identical twins with one right handed and one left handed.
Posted on 9/4/19 at 7:46 am to Zephyrius
Science deniers say...
"There is no God.
We evolved from bacteria over millions of years.
Survival of the fittest was the mechanism of that evolution.
Despite this - and never finding any evidence for it - homosexuality is clearly genetic."
"There is no God.
We evolved from bacteria over millions of years.
Survival of the fittest was the mechanism of that evolution.
Despite this - and never finding any evidence for it - homosexuality is clearly genetic."
Posted on 9/4/19 at 7:52 am to Boatshoes
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Survival of the fittest was the mechanism of that evolution. Despite this - and never finding any evidence for it - homosexuality is clearly genetic."
Great point. That explains why there’s absolutely no evidence of homosexual behavior in the animal kingdom outside of humans.
Oh wait...
Posted on 9/4/19 at 7:52 am to omegaman66
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Dude would you have turned gay if one of your friends said you were?
No, but he definitely wasn't born that way. I don't understand why people make that decision, but they do.
Posted on 9/4/19 at 7:55 am to CrimsonTideMD
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Great point. That explains why there’s absolutely no evidence of homosexual behavior in the animal kingdom outside of humans.
There's evidence of cannibalism, mass suicide, and infanticide in the animal kingdom too.
Which is why, historically, "___ is behaving like an animal" has been a way to insult a human being.
Posted on 9/4/19 at 7:55 am to Zephyrius
It’s pretty simple. It’s a choice on who you decide to make a sexual partner. No gene, hypothetical or real, forces a man to have sex with a man.
Posted on 9/4/19 at 7:56 am to CDawson
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No gene, hypothetical or real, forces a man to have sex with a man.
but there is a biological component to who a man is attracted to and prefers to ave sexual relations with
Posted on 9/4/19 at 7:57 am to Boatshoes
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Science deniers say...
"There is no God.
We evolved from bacteria over millions of years.
Survival of the fittest was the mechanism of that evolution.
Despite this - and never finding any evidence for it - homosexuality is clearly genetic."
you clearly have a strong grasp on genetics and evolution
Posted on 9/4/19 at 7:59 am to Aced
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was told my whole life by authority figures that my sexuality was wrong
That's unfortunate. Temptation is something everyone deals with. It isn't wrong, it's just something we have to overcome. The wrong comes when you act on the temptation, but that's what forgiveness is for.
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I spent many nights praying and crying myself to sleep that God would change me because I was convinced I was going to hell for something I couldn’t control and was constantly depressed.
I'm sorry you felt that way, but that isn't at all what the Bible says about temptation. Even Jesus was tempted. Being tempted with sin is something everyone struggles with, and we need the Lord to help us overcome it. It isn't a sin to be tempted. Acting on the temptation is when sin happens.
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If anything the peer pressure that you are describing was starkly in the opposite directions and still later in college I came out and accepted who I was.
He never said the guy was bullied. He said "everyone knew he was gay." However, everyone is bullied in high school. Your friends weren't special just because they were bullied for being effeminate (which is not an indicator of "gayness").
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Let me personally tell you your world view is completely off and all your accomplishing by advancing this rhetoric is turning people away from the Church.
That's fine. My world view is the only true one. It was never meant to be popular, and in fact has always been very unpopular throughout the world and throughout the history of the world. Many people reject truth. That doesn't make it less true.
Posted on 9/4/19 at 8:01 am to SlowFlowPro
quote:Scariest thing? He claims to be a physician.quote:you clearly have a strong grasp on genetics and evolution
Science deniers say...
"There is no God. We evolved from bacteria over millions of years. Survival of the fittest was the mechanism of that evolution.
Despite this - and never finding any evidence for it - homosexuality is clearly genetic."
Posted on 9/4/19 at 8:05 am to AggieHank86
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Scariest thing? He claims to be a physician.
Posted on 9/4/19 at 8:05 am to AggieHank86
i mean it's not really polite these days, but there are countless examples of disabilities that are genetic that are obvious outliers to the "strongest survive" mantra, which hasn't even really been a genetic-evolutionary standards for 10-12k years (due to society)
take down syndrome. does this prove God doesn't exist? or evolution? or that God is mean? what? that's a purely genetic diagnosis and doesn't fit in with the "strongest" aspects of evolution. does down syndrome just not exist? or it's not genetic? what?
take down syndrome. does this prove God doesn't exist? or evolution? or that God is mean? what? that's a purely genetic diagnosis and doesn't fit in with the "strongest" aspects of evolution. does down syndrome just not exist? or it's not genetic? what?
Posted on 9/4/19 at 8:05 am to Zephyrius
Which means its a mental disorder
Posted on 9/4/19 at 8:09 am to Jack Daniel
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Which means its a mental disorder
Well if it is not genetic, then what else could it be...
Posted on 9/4/19 at 8:09 am to Zephyrius
I don't remember ever consciously making a decision to like women. I just did.
I understand Rocky's point in that you can be an alcoholic and NOT drink alcohol. Just like you can be gay and NOT involve in the activity. However, this is the U S of A. A competent adult should be able to do whatever the hell they want in their pursuit of happiness as long as it doesn't negatively impact other people.
I understand Rocky's point in that you can be an alcoholic and NOT drink alcohol. Just like you can be gay and NOT involve in the activity. However, this is the U S of A. A competent adult should be able to do whatever the hell they want in their pursuit of happiness as long as it doesn't negatively impact other people.
Posted on 9/4/19 at 8:10 am to Jack Daniel
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Which means its a mental disorder
just because there isn't a specific gene that causes homosexuality does't remove all biological causes of homosexuality
also, it's pretty well accepted that some portion of the gay population over 0% are attracted to the same sex due to environmental factors and not genetic factors. the saddest and easiest examples are men who are raped as children by men are more likely to be attracted to males (often young)
or you have most women, who are much more fluid in their sexuality naturally, who have bad experiences with men and reject them for those reasons. this is more of a choice than natural inclination, but the fluidity makes that choice much more "natural"
there isn't ever going to be one specific black/white divide for each homosexual person
Posted on 9/4/19 at 8:13 am to mouton
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What an lazy argument. At what age did you choose to be attracted to girls?
It isn't an argument at all. It's the truth. It is a choice to choose a gay lifestyle. I can't speak to why people make that choice, but they do. Even if you believe people are always attracted to the same sex and are tempted by that attraction, acting on those urges is sinful. The choice is to either obey God's commandments, or to not obey them. It truly doesn't even matter if you believe, beyond all evidence, that people are "born that way." We are all tempted by sin. Being tempted by homosexual sin doesn't make anyone any different from anyone else in that regard. You either choose to turn away from your sin, or you don't.
I'm not going to treat you any differently from anyone else if you don't turn away from your sin, but I'm also not going to pretend it's any different from any other sin.
This post was edited on 9/4/19 at 8:14 am
Posted on 9/4/19 at 8:14 am to imjustafatkid
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It isn't an argument at all. It's the truth. It is a choice to choose a gay lifestyle. I can't speak to why people make that choice, but they do. Even if you believe people are always attracted to the same sex and are tempted by that attraction, acting on those urges is sinful.
ok cool. this really has no place in this thread
Posted on 9/4/19 at 8:18 am to omegaman66
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I once read an article that said after WWII the percentage of English babies that turned out to be homosexual took a sharp increase. Indicating that the mother being under stress due to bombing etc is possibly the cause of that increase.
After WW2 the lack of positive male role models had to be at a low. Either due to death or psychological scarring.
Could the lack of a positive male role model in the home present itself as homosexual tendencies in some people?
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