re: There’s no evidence that a single ‘gay gene’ exists

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We're talking about the reasons for people being gay, aren't we?

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yes and your argument is "there can be a 100% biological reason for this but it's irrelevant b/c i believe it's in acting on those natural inclinations that you have issues". this thread is about the existence/cause, not the moral implications of acting on that established cause

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Read it again. It doesn't say what you seem to think it says.

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It's a nebulous, scientifically meaningless "conclusion," as stated. I'm not saying science can't or won't discover (or perhaps already has) more than what that statement imparts. But the statement itself is not a scientific finding.

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but there is a biological component to who a man is attracted to and prefers to ave sexual relations with

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More there’s a biological predisposition where in environmental factors can cause a man to develop sexual attraction to other men.

Your sexual abuse example is one of them.

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It still doesn’t mean that homosexuality is a
conscious “choice”.

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yeah i think the "genetic" argument died out 10+ years ago

it's now considered to likely be epigenetic and/or hormonal

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That isn't what I said at all.

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that's literally what you said. your discussion is about acting out in deviance and not the cause of the deviance

acting out is irrelevant. we're talking about genesis in this thread

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More there’s a biological predisposition where in environmental factors can cause a man to develop sexual attraction to other men.

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most likely, and most likely caused in utero or due to faulty genes misfiring and causing hormonal imbalances

i'm not saying that homosexuality isn't a biological malfunction and/or an outlier. i'm saying it's natural and biological

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it's now considered to likely be epigenetic and/or hormonal

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So you are saying the ghey can be prevented and/or cured if so desired?

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There are several theories, as I understand it. Credible medical and psychological authorities acknowledge that a person doesn’t just decide to be gay.

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For the conversation you seem determined to have you have to define “be gay”

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i'm saying it's natural and biological

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I don’t think something that is so often the result of child abuse should be classified as “natural and biological “

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So you are saying the ghey can be prevented and/or cured if so desired?

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i believe at some point this will be an option

i'm not one of those "IT'S NATURAL SO WE'RE THE NEW NORMAL" people like this guy

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The ludicrous amount of coverage of a basically uninterpretable experiment suggests a surprising amount of interest in the basis of sexuality and I am even more irritated by this than I am by poor use of statistical analyses. I think of myself as a naturally curious person, it’s why I am a scientist. I wonder about loads of stuff all the time — how cell phone signals move, why dead dragonflies fade but butterflies don’t, why most people are more interested in life on Mars than in their own neighborhood. But with the exception of wondering what the Kardashians are up to, there is nothing that I am less curious about than why I am a lesbian. And I think that is very common. I know few gay people who waste any time on this. In contrast, it is almost always a straight person who asks this question of someone who is gay.

But here’s the thing. I have never heard a straight person wonder why they are straight. No matter how it’s dressed up, the question is always one of investigating the deviation from the norm. The defense that is usually put forward is that studies such as the recent one are just looking to explore the biological basis behind a range of human behaviors. But that position is both naïve and potentially dangerous.

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we're a sexually reproducing species, so these "arguments" are incredibly silly (to the point of being dangerous)

my fear (and this goes beyond homosexuality) is that with this "victim culture", medicating away natural conditions will be attacked. it's whatever with homosexuality but when we're talking about severe mental illness? that's a major fricking worry.