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There's no coming back for America in terms of political cohesion ever again

Posted on 4/23/20 at 7:06 am
Posted by PEPE
Member since Jun 2018
8198 posts
Posted on 4/23/20 at 7:06 am
Political parties have always fought, often times very bitterly, throughout all of US history.

But in times of national crisis those political squabbles were always seen as trivial and put on the back burner as Americans united to tackle it. That's exactly what you would expect in a functional country. The only time this didn't happen was the Civil War of course. But besides that, national unity has always been a thing in times of crisis.

Just as an example, less than 20 years ago Bush was elected and Democrats were EXTREMELY bitter about it. The close election, the recount fallout, Bush was about as hated a President by one side coming into office as any President was.

And yet despite that after 9/11 Democrats and leftists, both elected and in the media, largely rallied around him (at least temporarily) and put forth a message of unity. Media members worth American flags, etc. There was a ra-ra Patriotism that got going for awhile. Nobody was trying to dunk on Bush or score cheap political points (at least not for a few months) Nobody was wishing terrorist attacks on the opposing party, etc.

Contrast that with what's happening now. From the moment this crisis began, Democrats and the media had one priority, trying to damage Donald Trump politically from it. No other considerations at all. When he acted, they objected. When he didn't act, they said he should. They are currently totally fine with bankrupting every small business in the entire country if they think the misery that inflicts will help defeat Donald Trump in November.

If you can't count on your "countrymen" to have your back in a crisis, they aren't your countrymen.

This isn't normal politics anymore. We aren't arguing about the top tax rate or PBS funding or normal bullshite.

I honestly don't see anyway back from this. There's an irreconcilable chasm between two factions in this country and it will eventually come to a head. The next conflict is coming, it may still be 20 years from now, maybe 30, maybe 50 but it's coming.
Posted by Revelator
Member since Nov 2008
57867 posts
Posted on 4/23/20 at 7:08 am to
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Contrast that with what's happening now. From the moment this crisis began, Democrats and the media had one priority, trying to damage Donald Trump politically from it. No other considerations at all. When he acted, they objected. When he didn't act, they said he should. They are currently totally fine with bankrupting every small business in the entire country if they think the misery that inflicts will help defeat Donald Trump in November



Truth
Posted by kmdawg17
'Murica
Member since Sep 2015
1515 posts
Posted on 4/23/20 at 7:10 am to
You know what's crazy about all of this?

I think most people agree that lobbyists are terrible and provide opportunities to pay off elected officials in order to get their way.

I bet most people don't realize that on top of big business and special interest groups, there are actually lobbyists for foreign nations who lobby our government officials for money for programs in their countries.

Tell me that's not insane
Posted by SCLibertarian
Conway, South Carolina
Member since Aug 2013
35997 posts
Posted on 4/23/20 at 7:12 am to
I have zero desire to be cohesive with a group of people who are offended by everything, who view every political issue through the lens of race and who think free speech should be restricted. Frick the humorless, Puritan SJW's and their progressive allies.
Posted by BamaCoaster
God's Gulf
Member since Apr 2016
5255 posts
Posted on 4/23/20 at 7:24 am to
I believe social media has played a large role in this. It has allowed us to create self-imposed thought bubbles of “like think”, and we are inundated with echo chambers. So much so that we can’t fathom why or how others perceive events differently.
Posted by PEPE
Member since Jun 2018
8198 posts
Posted on 4/23/20 at 7:25 am to
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I believe social media has played a large role in this.


100% correct. The extreme radicalization of the left in this country went into f'ing light speed after Twitter.
Posted by Snipe
Member since Nov 2015
10899 posts
Posted on 4/23/20 at 7:26 am to
There has been a huge push in the last 20 years to make "Nationalism" or "National Pride" an ugly thing. To make it wrong to think of (really just the USA) as being exceptional and a source of pride.

I think you're 100% correct and this change will not be reversed. We have politicians now openly disparaging the very country they claim to serve. And it's accepted. But it's nothing new. Throughout history this has been the model of destruction.

Truly sad.
This post was edited on 4/23/20 at 8:05 am
Posted by Jrv2damac
Kanorado
Member since Mar 2004
65021 posts
Posted on 4/23/20 at 7:27 am to
I’d feel bad if one side had any real redeeming qualities, but they’re unworkable.
Posted by troyt37
Member since Mar 2008
13323 posts
Posted on 4/23/20 at 7:34 am to
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And yet despite that after 9/11 Democrats and leftists, both elected and in the media, largely rallied around him (at least temporarily) and put forth a message of unity. Media members worth American flags, etc. There was a ra-ra Patriotism that got going for awhile. Nobody was trying to dunk on Bush or score cheap political points (at least not for a few months) Nobody was wishing terrorist attacks on the opposing party, etc.


I agree with your post, but I hear this a lot and I think it's revisionist. There was a time of shock and sadness, but the muslim outreach started for the socialist democrats as soon as it was known that muslims had done this. And socialist democrats all but sided with the terrorists in prosecuting the WOT.

You are forgetting that one of the pleasures of being a socialist democrat is that you can give the middle finger to convention, decorum, and even decency, and there is no price to pay, because your propaganda arm is carrying your water, instead of whipping up outrage against you.
Posted by roadGator
Member since Feb 2009
139920 posts
Posted on 4/23/20 at 7:35 am to
For the progs to use this as a weapon is all you need to know about them.
Posted by BlueFalcon
Aberdeen Scotland
Member since Dec 2011
2306 posts
Posted on 4/23/20 at 7:35 am to
The Left is more of a religion than a political party and the puritans have been getting more and more power since the end of the Bush presidency. We're to the point where they're openly advocating for the death of White people. Unfortunately for them, if there's going to be blood in the streets, the vast majority will be theirs.
Posted by gthog61
Irving, TX
Member since Nov 2009
71001 posts
Posted on 4/23/20 at 7:36 am to
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I’d feel bad if one side had any real redeeming qualities, but they’re unworkable.




more both sides bullshite
Posted by aTmTexas Dillo
East Texas Lake
Member since Sep 2018
15036 posts
Posted on 4/23/20 at 7:38 am to
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I honestly don't see anyway back from this. There's an irreconcilable chasm between two factions in this country and it will eventually come to a head. The next conflict is coming, it may still be 20 years from now, maybe 30, maybe 50 but it's coming.


Yeah, we're done. Chinese and Russians can put stuff on Facebook that makes us hate each other even more. It goes to show that the normal state of man is not peaceful bliss but to dominate. The Dems want to dominate and subjugate us all.
Posted by moneyg
Member since Jun 2006
56423 posts
Posted on 4/23/20 at 7:40 am to
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I bet most people don't realize that on top of big business and special interest groups, there are actually lobbyists for foreign nations who lobby our government officials for money for programs in their countries.

truth
Posted by Bestbank Tiger
Premium Member
Member since Jan 2005
70938 posts
Posted on 4/23/20 at 7:42 am to
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You know what's crazy about all of this?

I think most people agree that lobbyists are terrible and provide opportunities to pay off elected officials in order to get their way.

I bet most people don't realize that on top of big business and special interest groups, there are actually lobbyists for foreign nations who lobby our government officials for money for programs in their countries.

Tell me that's not insane


That should be illegal. If a foreign government wants something they should have their ambassador talk to the State Department.
Posted by moneyg
Member since Jun 2006
56423 posts
Posted on 4/23/20 at 7:42 am to
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The Left is more of a religion than a political party


truth
Posted by SLafourche07
Member since Feb 2008
9928 posts
Posted on 4/23/20 at 7:44 am to
9/11 didn't happen during an election year.
Posted by Da Sheik
Trump Tower
Member since Sep 2007
7934 posts
Posted on 4/23/20 at 7:54 am to
Have an upvote! This is the first time I believe we didn't have a peaceful transition of power after Trump won. You had the previous administration try to take down a duly elected president via a coup. You have a CIA Director (Brennan) still saying the most vile and dangerous things about the President of the US. Truly incredible. Our enemies don't say things as bad as Obama's goons.
Posted by kmdawg17
'Murica
Member since Sep 2015
1515 posts
Posted on 4/23/20 at 7:56 am to
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That should be illegal


Yep, it should be, but these crooked politicians make huge under the table money to pass bills that include payouts to other countries
Posted by oogabooga68
Member since Nov 2018
27194 posts
Posted on 4/23/20 at 7:58 am to

They're bugs, Wyatt. All that smart talk about live and let live. There ain't no live and let live with bugs
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