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re: There is no winning anymore in modern American politics.

Posted on 5/9/20 at 3:25 pm to
Posted by NotoriousFSU
Atlanta, GA
Member since Oct 2008
10252 posts
Posted on 5/9/20 at 3:25 pm to
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And Obama’s stimulus had a similar situation


Posted by Scruffy
Kansas City
Member since Jul 2011
72164 posts
Posted on 5/9/20 at 3:28 pm to
So, the 2007-2008 crash was nothing at all?

That is an interesting take.
Posted by slackster
Houston
Member since Mar 2009
85109 posts
Posted on 5/9/20 at 3:31 pm to
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When Bush enacted the Patriot Act most republicans were for it and democrats against it (due to freedom). When Obama got in office all of a sudden republicans were for freedom and democrats were for more gov't intrusion. If Obama would have been in office and did the exact same thing Trump just did most democrats would have been for it and most republicans against it. It'a all pathetic.


CNBC did a poll recently and something like 53% of Republicans were concerned about COVID19 and 97% of democrats were. Only in 2020 America can something as straightforward as a virus still have a distinct political divide. It's insane.
Posted by NotoriousFSU
Atlanta, GA
Member since Oct 2008
10252 posts
Posted on 5/9/20 at 3:31 pm to
You think the causes of the 07-08 crash and what we’re going through now, economically speaking, are similar?

That is a most interesting take.
Posted by slackster
Houston
Member since Mar 2009
85109 posts
Posted on 5/9/20 at 3:34 pm to
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You think the causes of the 07-08 crash and what we’re going through now, economically speaking, are similar?

That is a most interesting take.


The cause impacts perception, but both bills were desperately needed to spare deep depressions.
Posted by Tigris
Mexican Home
Member since Jul 2005
12366 posts
Posted on 5/9/20 at 3:35 pm to
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I guarantee you if everyone turned the news off for 2 weeks


Not many people watch the news anymore - with good reason. More people are getting their news from the internet. And internet "news" is even worse.

But yeah, our political system is broken. When the nominees are Hillary Clinton and Donald Trump it's time to scrap the system and start again.
Posted by TT9
Global warming
Member since Sep 2008
82952 posts
Posted on 5/9/20 at 3:36 pm to
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53% of Republicans
they only listen to a couple of sources.
Posted by NotoriousFSU
Atlanta, GA
Member since Oct 2008
10252 posts
Posted on 5/9/20 at 3:48 pm to
All I’m saying is when conservatives vote to give tax payers their money back during times when the economy at large is forcibly shutdown due to a pandemic does not mean they sacrificed their integrity to do so. And to presume the differences between the causes of each recession are indisputable is an egregious act of ignorance.
Posted by HarryBalzack
Member since Oct 2012
15228 posts
Posted on 5/9/20 at 4:48 pm to
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If Obama would have been in office and did the exact same thing Trump just did most democrats would have been for it and most republicans against it. It'a all pathetic.
Remember when the right shite their pants at Obama using executive orders to make changes, then they pissed their pants in joy when Trump used them to do the same thing? They claimed Obama was spending us into oblivion, then when the right got control of Congress & the White House, they cut taxes but not spending and the debt goes through the roof, but no one on the right is bitching about the debt/deficit at the moment.

Tax and Spend Dems vs. Borrow and Spend Repubs. They're both full of shite and anyone who thinks one is absolutely better than the other is full of shite too.
Posted by Klingler7
Houston
Member since Nov 2009
12008 posts
Posted on 5/9/20 at 4:57 pm to
Republicans and Democrats will always play these childlike games with one another. And both parties will do whatever they can to divide the citizens. They will divide the country by race, financial wealth, sexual orientations and life/pro choice. Nothing will change.

Jesus said that we will always have the poor amongst us. That implies some folks will be rich and some will be poor.

There will be folks who live to kill others. Their will be jealousy amongst people.

Nothing will change until Jesus returns.
Posted by Celery
Nuevo York
Member since Nov 2010
11097 posts
Posted on 5/9/20 at 5:20 pm to
We’re beyond help, yes. The media has a become polarized money-hungry machine and social media has trained us to be vitriolic and disrespectful because it’s so easy to do so behind a keyword.
Posted by km
Baton Rouge
Member since Jul 2008
5653 posts
Posted on 5/9/20 at 8:45 pm to
Turn it off. Turn on Netflix. Search for movies made elseway (in different countries). There’s some great stuff and you don’t have to watch movies which emphasize political correctness.
Posted by dawgfan24348
Member since Oct 2011
49330 posts
Posted on 5/9/20 at 8:47 pm to
Political tribalism has fricked American politics. Can't even have a discussion about Trump without people saying he's God Emperor or literally Hitler
Posted by dawgfan24348
Member since Oct 2011
49330 posts
Posted on 5/9/20 at 8:49 pm to
What we're seeing in the Democratic party is an all out civil war. It's the establishment moderate Democrats vs the progressive antiestablishment Democrats.

We're going to see a lot more Tulsis, Bernies, and Yangs in the near future. The Democratic Party has a choice and it's adapt or die

The GOP saw this and while there's some infighting they mostly just got behind Trump because they at least knew there was no point in fighting it
This post was edited on 5/9/20 at 8:51 pm
Posted by Zappas Stache
Utility Muffin Research Kitchen
Member since Apr 2009
38766 posts
Posted on 5/9/20 at 9:34 pm to
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guarantee you if everyone turned the news off for 2 weeks the entire mindset of the country would change.


I blame social media and the bubble you can live in whether on the right or left.
Posted by Jim Rockford
Member since May 2011
98273 posts
Posted on 5/9/20 at 9:39 pm to
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The GOP saw this and while there's some infighting they mostly just got behind Trump because they at least knew there was no point in fighting it


That's great and all but now it's Trump's party. The GOP has abandoned any principles it may have had and now stands for whatever Trump happens to be standing for at any given moment. The problem is that he's going to be around for 4.5 more years at most. When he's gone they're going to have to figure out what, if anything, they stand for again. Principles, once abandoned, aren't necessarily easy to get back.
Posted by reedus23
St. Louis
Member since Sep 2011
25485 posts
Posted on 5/9/20 at 9:44 pm to
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I guarantee you if everyone turned the news off for 2 weeks the entire mindset of the country would change. We may not know what’s going on, but do we need to know every little bad thing that happens in the world?



Agree with what you're saying. Will take it one step further and again, it is true of people on both sides of this madhouse. We're not just knowing every little bad thing that happens, but both sides are making shite up at this point and are just no believable anymore. Or, they take all of their negative qualities and attribute them to the other side.

Really is tiresome.
Posted by Jim Rockford
Member since May 2011
98273 posts
Posted on 5/9/20 at 9:47 pm to
There's really very little on a national or international scale that affects you so much that you have to know about in real time.
Posted by TopWaterTiger
Lake Charles, LA
Member since May 2006
10224 posts
Posted on 5/10/20 at 7:43 am to
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Trump and Obama created cults.


Just what you see in today’s society. You either fit in the designated box or you don’t. There is no more in between.
Posted by Tiger Ugly
Baton Rouge
Member since Jul 2008
14538 posts
Posted on 5/10/20 at 9:14 am to
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I guarantee you if everyone turned the news off for 2 weeks the entire mindset of the country would change.


You would also have to refrain from the internet and all social media.
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