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re: “There is a childcare crisis in this country”

Posted on 10/2/24 at 9:34 am to
Posted by Doctor B
Member since Jul 2024
1610 posts
Posted on 10/2/24 at 9:34 am to
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And that won't change if we throw more money at them.


Agreed. We saw during COVID shutdowns that many people who were handed a ton of money for having 5 or 6 kids managed to buy a couple of TVs, a vehicle, some pizzas.....and now they are broke again needing more money.
Posted by Flats
Member since Jul 2019
28134 posts
Posted on 10/2/24 at 9:35 am to
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if you can afford them, then live within your means,


You say that like it’s a bad thing.
Posted by Ten Bears
Florida
Member since Oct 2018
5050 posts
Posted on 10/2/24 at 9:37 am to
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Why not change the tax structure to make it more affordable for wives to stay home and raise their children?


It's not just that. We have convinced society that women working is a good and noble thing. And while it is not a terrible thing that women are in the workplace, we never once stopped and thought about the ramifications of that societal shift. Economically, we doubled the employee pool, which led to stagnate wages. In addition, we are now talking about paid Family and medical leave, which sounds great and all. It definitely falls in the category of a "moral and right thing to do." However, as an owner of a business, I shudder at the reality of paying someone 16 weeks for unproductive labor.

We need to get back to fundamentals as a country.
Posted by Gifman
Clearwater Beach, FL
Member since Jan 2021
18887 posts
Posted on 10/2/24 at 9:39 am to
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There is a childcare crisis. I have to pay nearly $3,000 a month for early childcare. Lots of people these days can’t afford that especially when their groceries have doubled and their wages have been stagnant. I am not a proponent of govt intervention on many things but if we could take the money we’re throwing at foreign bullshite wars and dumbass social programs that promote trans acceptance and put it towards helping get parents back to work by subsidizing childcare, I support it.


I'm with you. I'm in an Atlanta suburb and we pay $1800/month (one kid) and that's for a "pretty good" daycare. The great ones are $2500+/month. Sounds like you've got two in daycare.

The same people saying "don't complain about the cost" are some of the same ones who have no problem with needless foreign intervention at the cost of trillions.
Posted by Gifman
Clearwater Beach, FL
Member since Jan 2021
18887 posts
Posted on 10/2/24 at 9:40 am to
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Agreed. We saw during COVID shutdowns that many people who were handed a ton of money for having 5 or 6 kids managed to buy a couple of TVs, a vehicle, some pizzas.....and now they are broke again needing more money.


These are people who don't work and don't pay a dime in childcare. And if they do pay, it's money from government.
Posted by The Egg
Houston, TX
Member since Dec 2004
83732 posts
Posted on 10/2/24 at 9:43 am to
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You say that like it’s a bad thing.
I think most people with kids that can afford childcare do live within means and such

that doesn't mean that price of childcare isn't getting far too out of control for growing families.

i have 3 that we paid high daycare costs for, but we made necessary adjustments to fit our combined salaries/budgets and were well within our means. No, we never went to Disney or took extravagant vacations, but we did what we could.

however, there are a lot of circumstances where growing families struggle with the high cost of it all, no matter the salary makeup of the parents.

if we're saying that the answer to all of this is to take one salary away and have the woman stay home and take care of it all, then I'm not sure that's all that realistic of an answer.
Posted by Ricardo
Member since Sep 2016
6486 posts
Posted on 10/2/24 at 9:44 am to
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Agreed. We saw during COVID shutdowns that many people who were handed a ton of money for having 5 or 6 kids managed to buy a couple of TVs, a vehicle, some pizzas.....and now they are broke again needing more money.


This is why I believe we're already living in a socialist state. The welfare state is a wealth redistribution program. The "State" knows the welfare recipient is not going to keep the money. It is immediately spent on frivolous goods and services.

This justifies the continued existence of big government programs and ensures dependency by the unwashed masses.

Do your best to be self-sufficient. Unfortunately, the government imposes restrictions on your ability to be self-sufficient. Regulations are control.

Your lives have a dollar amount attached to them. Never forget that. There is no benefit for you to outlive your usefulness. All these programs depend upon you dying when your productivity tapers.

Science fiction writers pondered the effects of AI and Automation and assumed the machines would kill/enslave the population. As it turns out, it will be your own governments.
Posted by Flats
Member since Jul 2019
28134 posts
Posted on 10/2/24 at 9:47 am to
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then I'm not sure that's all that realistic of an answer.


Is it better or worse than moving further towards socialism?
Posted by BamaAggiemom
Member since Aug 2019
543 posts
Posted on 10/2/24 at 9:50 am to
I was a software engineer with 10 years experience in Silicon Valley.

My twin daughters could not go to daycare. Nannies were expensive, and I didn't trust them to take care of my kids as well as I could.

My husband liked working better than me, so I stayed home.

I didn't buy fancy coffee drinks. I didn't buy lots of clothes. We didn't go on vacation. I cooked at home. I literally saved change, and would only go to a drive through (El Pollo Loco was my favorite) when I had enough change to pay for it.

We somehow managed through those early years.

It was worth it!
Posted by back9Tiger
Island Coconut Salesman
Member since Nov 2005
17959 posts
Posted on 10/2/24 at 9:55 am to
So my question is why is it that expensive? I recall when my son was young (16 years ago) it was pricey as well. But why is it expensive?

If it is a crisis, is it becuase there are too few places and those that are in business just jack up rates? sounds like a price control issue with people taking advantage of others in this situation. Again, i honestly don't know but pricing has exceed the limits by which the average American can absorb anymore. All i have been hearing lately is, sorry to tell you we are raising rates next year.
Posted by Gifman
Clearwater Beach, FL
Member since Jan 2021
18887 posts
Posted on 10/2/24 at 10:00 am to
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So my question is why is it that expensive?


Not enough competition would be my guess. If you go to any decent daycare in a metro area these days, there's a wait list usually. Some in my area have a year plus wait. They can just about charge what they want.
Posted by Doctor B
Member since Jul 2024
1610 posts
Posted on 10/2/24 at 10:06 am to
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These are people who don't work and don't pay a dime in childcare. And if they do pay, it's money from government.


True. My point on those people is: They are always sounding the alarm on a crisis or two that could be fixed -- if only they would get more childcare assistance, cash assistance, childcare tax credits.

It's often an individual or couple in 20s or 30s who have no trade school or college history, but they are all like: "I could get out there and kill it in the workforce if someone would spot me 93 grand for food, childcare, housing and other essentials."
Posted by Barstools
Atlanta
Member since Jan 2016
11835 posts
Posted on 10/2/24 at 10:08 am to
People that act like there is a crisis because they have to pay for child care because they are too lazy to raise their own kids will never not be funny.

This post was edited on 10/2/24 at 10:16 am
Posted by DrrTiger
Gulf of America
Member since Nov 2023
2544 posts
Posted on 10/2/24 at 10:13 am to
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if you can afford them, then live within your means, take no vacations, no new cars, no new houses


Correct.
Posted by JumpingTheShark
America
Member since Nov 2012
24834 posts
Posted on 10/2/24 at 10:16 am to
So am I to understand that people in this thread are really denying that, all things held equal, it is more expensive to give our kids the life that our parents gave us in the 70s and 80s?

Some of yall are really misinformed.
Posted by LSUROXS
Texas
Member since Sep 2006
8651 posts
Posted on 10/2/24 at 10:16 am to
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“There is a childcare crisis in this country”


More free shite for minorities! And they'll fall for it.
Posted by DeathValley85
Member since May 2011
19283 posts
Posted on 10/2/24 at 10:19 am to
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So open a daycare.




Come join the rest of us in reality for just a second.

The rising costs of childcare is an issue for families whether you want to admit it or not. It sounds like you did not have to deal with this issue yourself and your best solution for families is “figure it out stupid”.


This post was edited on 10/2/24 at 10:23 am
Posted by lsufball19
Franklin, TN
Member since Sep 2008
73468 posts
Posted on 10/2/24 at 10:22 am to
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So my question is why is it that expensive? I recall when my son was young (16 years ago) it was pricey as well. But why is it expensive?

More women are working than ever. Economy is bad and inflation high. Wages have not caught up, so the ability to have a stay at home parent is next to impossible for the vast majority of families. So more childcare is needed than ever before. There aren't enough childcare providers for all the people who need childcare. Wait lists are long. It's basic supply and demand.

There's also a huge problem with employee turnover in childcare facilities. They pay their workers barely livable wages. One of my daughter's teachers just left. We absolutely loved her. She went back to serving because she didn't make enough at the daycare. They pay like $16-17/hr and this is in a nice daycare in a nice neighborhood in the burbs.

State laws also mandate a certain kid:teacher ratio. And that varies by age. So even existing daycare centers can't just have more classes/students because they can't find the staff to meet state guidelines to have more students. There is also a lot of regulatory/insurance stuff that creates a barrier to just go out and start a new daycare.

You also have the issue of people who can more than afford childcare simply not being able to find any availability. We have several friends who put their unborn children on waitlists the minute they found out the wife was pregnant. 9 months later, kid is born, still on waitlist. 3 months later, wife needs to go back to work after maternity leave, still on a waitlist. Then these families have to hire in-home nannies that are even more expensive than daycare. Here, that's going to run you about $40k/year. Some have done nanny-sharing with other families. It's utterly insane. I've seen a couple friends' not get into a daycare until their kid was almost a year old.

The people in here who say there is no crisis, people just spend money on other things, are either willfully ignorant or they had kids 15 years ago and are actually ignorant to what is going on now. They didn't have to deal with the problem so they can't fathom it should be an issue for anyone else.

Posted by The Egg
Houston, TX
Member since Dec 2004
83732 posts
Posted on 10/2/24 at 10:23 am to
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People that act like there is a crisis because they have to pay for child care because they are too lazy to raise their own kids will never not be funny.
not saying there's a crisis, but sending kids to day care so people can work is now being lazy?

i thought not working was lazy, now it's the opposite

what is this we're doing here
This post was edited on 10/2/24 at 10:24 am
Posted by JumpingTheShark
America
Member since Nov 2012
24834 posts
Posted on 10/2/24 at 10:26 am to
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lsufball19


This guy gets it. Thanks for chiming in. frickin old people and even some boomers in here trying to compare apples to carburetors and have no clue.
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