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re: There are intelligent people who oppose President Trump
Posted on 10/11/18 at 12:38 pm to Tmcgin
Posted on 10/11/18 at 12:38 pm to Tmcgin
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When has Trump ever been self deprecating?
Trump has executive time everyday to follow himself on TV
Trump has no friends everyone in his life is totally transactional.
Trump tweets when its quiet (weekend mornings) so he is talked about more.
Trump derides subordinates, Generals, cabinet peeps and people who try to explain things to him.
He reminds me a lot of George Stienbrenner a success in spit e of himself
You're listing a bunch of reasons why you don't support Trump the MAN. What things don't you like about Trump the PRESIDENT?
Seriously... if you can look at what his administration has gotten done in two years and say that he's doing a bad job, well then there's really no conversation to be had with you.
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Posted on 10/11/18 at 12:40 pm to jmcwhrter
Can't support a guy with ZERO moral compass
we used to care about that. He knows your buttons and pushes them....great for you
we used to care about that. He knows your buttons and pushes them....great for you
Posted on 10/11/18 at 12:42 pm to DisplacedBuckeye
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For starters, I'd like to see him support it. I quoted some of his thoughts about it above. I'm not a fan of those comments. No Second Amendment supporter should be OK with his ideas.
As far as what I'd like him to do...let's start with removing some of the ridiculous restrictions currently in place on the Second Amendment. That's not unique to Trump, but the thread is asking what I don't like about him. That's my biggest problem with Trump. He talks tough on the Second Amendment, but does nothing, or even worse, he makes comments about "taking their guns."
Dude, I own literally hundreds of guns. I grew up with guns, I carried guns as part of my daily job before retiring . I am as pro 2nd Amendment as a person can be, which is not to say that I don't recognize that some people should NOT own guns, and that we should have a system in place to make sure that those who shouldn't own guns aren't getting them (legally , obviously we can't entirely prevent illegal purchases, but that's a topic for another day) it also does not mean that I believe I have a right to buy any weapon I desire to own.
Posted on 10/11/18 at 12:44 pm to Tmcgin
Yes, we used to care about politicians' and their "morals".. except they've proven time and time again that what they SAY and what they actually DO, are very different things, and so I'd much rather rate a president based on his legislative accomplishments, rather than his/her manufactured personality in the media.
Posted on 10/11/18 at 12:45 pm to Tmcgin
News flash...all politicians lie
Posted on 10/11/18 at 12:47 pm to roadGator
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News flash...all politicians lie
You can give up on this one... Trump is a self-serving meanie and that is all there is to it...
In other words, brain dead as frick...
Posted on 10/11/18 at 12:48 pm to Tmcgin
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Can't support a guy with ZERO moral compass
we used to care about that. He knows your buttons and pushes them....great for you
Nonsense, the only fricking time any American cares about the morals of a President is when that President is a member of the opposite party.
No legitimately concerned person is sitting around right now saying "you know Trump's done some good things as President, but damn he just doesn't have any morals"
Posted on 10/11/18 at 1:02 pm to HeyHeyHogsAllTheWay
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Dude, I own literally hundreds of guns. I grew up with guns, I carried guns as part of my daily job before retiring . I am as pro 2nd Amendment as a person can be, which is not to say that I don't recognize that some people should NOT own guns, and that we should have a system in place to make sure that those who shouldn't own guns aren't getting them (legally , obviously we can't entirely prevent illegal purchases, but that's a topic for another day) it also does not mean that I believe I have a right to buy any weapon I desire to own.
Owning, growing up with, and carrying guns are all separate from supporting the Second Amendment. Bill Nelson, scumbag that he is, owns guns, grew up with guns, and carried guns while in the military. He's also a dipshit who thinks we need an assualt weapons ban (he doesn't know what that even means) and that 10 round magazines will save lives, while 11 round magazines leads to mass murder.
"I own guns" followed by "guns should be more restricted" is something the anti-gun crowd says. If you honestly do support the Second Amendment, I'd avoid that tactic.
Either way, nothing you said means anything to my point. Trump is weak on the Second Amendment. I didn't make that up. I posted exactly what he said. It's OK to be critical of someone you support. If you support the Second Amendment, you should be critical of Trump's comments and his inaction in strengthening it.
Posted on 10/11/18 at 1:05 pm to slackster
quote:civics lesson, you have a problem with Congress then, not the president.
Spending is a major problem
Posted on 10/11/18 at 1:06 pm to narddogg81
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civics lesson
That's a fail.
Posted on 10/11/18 at 1:08 pm to DisplacedBuckeye
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That mentality is dangerous, and it needs to stop.
aww do you need a safe space
Posted on 10/11/18 at 1:11 pm to texag7
Melt.
Posted on 10/11/18 at 1:13 pm to Tmcgin
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Can't support a guy with ZERO moral compass
we used to care about that. He knows your buttons and pushes them....great for you
Orange man bad!
Posted on 10/11/18 at 1:15 pm to DisplacedBuckeye
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Owning, growing up with, and carrying guns are all separate from supporting the Second Amendment
No shite, I didn't say it was
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"I own guns" followed by "guns should be more restricted" is something the anti-gun crowd says. If you honestly do support the Second Amendment, I'd avoid that tactic.
Good thing I didn't say I wanted guns to be more restricted then
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you should be critical of Trump's comments and his inaction in strengthening it.
The President has zero authority to "strengthen the second amendment" you like Presidents who overstep, you must have loved Obama.
Posted on 10/11/18 at 1:21 pm to HeyHeyHogsAllTheWay
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No shite, I didn't say it was
Oh, so it was just another irrelevant point from you.
Got it.
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Good thing I didn't say I wanted guns to be more restricted then
You want them more restricted than I do.
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The President has zero authority to "strengthen the second amendment"
Well, that's complete bullshite. Ask the other dude for a civics lesson. I hear he's really good at it.
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you like Presidents who overstep, you must have loved Obama.
Nope, Obama felt that "some people should NOT own guns," and "that we should have a system in place to make sure that those who shouldn't own guns aren't getting them." He also didn't believe that we "have a right to buy any weapon we desire to own."
Sounds like you should have voted for Obama for a third term.
Posted on 10/11/18 at 1:26 pm to 9th life
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The ever expanding national deficit is a bit alarming. We are spending at an insane rate.
Yeah, I know, Obama.
The national debt rose at a slower rate under Obama than Bush.
Comparing the increase in the national debt by looking at raw numbers is what fools do.
Posted on 10/11/18 at 1:29 pm to texridder
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The national debt rose at a slower rate under Obama than Bush.
Thanks Clinton.
Posted on 10/11/18 at 1:33 pm to DisplacedBuckeye
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You want them more restricted than I do.
Seeings as how I don't know what restrictions , if any, you want placed on the 2nd and you certainly dont know what restrictions , if any, I want on the 2nd , you don't have any clue whether that is true or not.
However the fact is all of our rights are restricted , and if we used an actual textual interpretation of the 2nd Amendment, Congress couldn't pass any gun laws but the state and local governments sure could (and actually this is what the FF had in mind before SCOTUS incorporated the Bill of Rights anyway but that too is an argument for another day)
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Well, that's complete bull shite. Ask the other dude for a civics lesson. I hear he's really good at it.
Yes, I saw your civics knowledge in the thread earlier, apparently
you believe that the President writes the US budget, and now you apparently believe the President can create gun laws on his own.
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Nope, Obama felt that "some people should NOT own guns," and "that we should have a system in place to make sure that those who shouldn't own guns aren't getting them." He also didn't believe that we "have a right to buy any weapon we desire to own."
Hate to break this to you Sparky, but SCOTUS has LONG agreed that on that one broad point Obama is right , some people shouldn't be allowed to own guns, and there does need to be a system in place to make sure they can't legally do so.
Since I'm not some partisan frick stick like so many on here it isn't hard for me to say "hey there is something that Obama and I agree with to an extent" which obviously doesn't mean I agree with everything he wanted to do in terms of gun control.
In point of fact, I don't believe in gun control at all. I believe in gun owner control.
Posted on 10/11/18 at 1:40 pm to narddogg81
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civics lesson, you have a problem with Congress then, not the president.
The President signed the spending bill. He could have chosen not to, and there was no guarantee that there was enough support to override him. Sounds like you need a civics lesson!
Posted on 10/11/18 at 1:42 pm to cahoots
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The President signed the spending bill. He could have chosen not to, and there was no guarantee that there was enough support to override him. Sounds like you need a civics lesson!
That doesn't negate the fact that CONGRESS creates budgets. They are more to blame for that budget than Trump is.
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