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re: There are intelligent people who oppose President Trump
Posted on 10/11/18 at 1:45 pm to Vecchio Cane
Posted on 10/11/18 at 1:45 pm to Vecchio Cane
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There are intelligent people who oppose President Trump
Yeah, I'm gonna need a list of names
Because someone claiming to have an IQ of 180, doesn't make it so. The proof is in their posting
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Posted on 10/11/18 at 1:48 pm to HeyHeyHogsAllTheWay
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That doesn't negate the fact that CONGRESS creates budgets. They are more to blame for that budget than Trump is.
Alright, but the President does not get a free pass regardless of how you look at it. And if you believe legislation ultimately hinges more on Congress, then that means we should downplay Trump's hand in the tax cuts or any other legislation that CONGRESS creates, no?
Posted on 10/11/18 at 1:50 pm to HeyHeyHogsAllTheWay
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Seeings as how I don't know what restrictions , if any, you want placed on the 2nd and you certainly dont know what restrictions , if any, I want on the 2nd , you don't have any clue whether that is true or not.
Well, that's nonsense. I know that you say some people shouldn't own firearms (I guess that's up to you who can and cannot own firearms), that you say we should have a system to ensure those people can't own them, and that you don't think I should be able to own anything I want.
You should be able to infer that I don't completely agree with that. Using a bit of logic tells us that you want firearms to be more restricted than I do.
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However the fact is all of our rights are restricted
And? We just throw our hands up and say "oh well, too late now?"
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and if we used an actual textual interpretation of the 2nd Amendment, Congress couldn't pass any gun laws but the state and local governments sure could (and actually this is what the FF had in mind before SCOTUS incorporated the Bill of Rights anyway but that too is an argument for another day)
There you go. Let that gun-grabber inside of you out...
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Yes, I saw your civics knowledge in the thread earlier, apparently
you believe that the President writes the US budget, and now you apparently believe the President can create gun laws on his own.
Neither of those things are true to anything I said.
You saw it, but you clearly didn't understand it.
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Hate to break this to you Sparky, but SCOTUS has LONG agreed that on that one broad point Obama is right , some people shouldn't be allowed to own guns, and there does need to be a system in place to make sure they can't legally do so.
Again...we just say "frick it, we lost" and move on?
Your appeal to authority aside, you've basically admitted to largely agreeing with many of Obama's anti-gun stances.
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Since I'm not some partisan frick stick like so many on here it isn't hard for me to say "hey there is something that Obama and I agree with to an extent" which obviously doesn't mean I agree with everything he wanted to do in terms of gun control.
Then it shouldn't be difficult for you to understand that Trump can be wrong on something, too. Here, he is wrong.
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In point of fact, I don't believe in gun control at all. I believe in gun owner control.
I'd love for you to explain what you mean by "gun owner control."
It'd also be great to see how you restrict the "right to buy any weapon I desire to own" without some form of gun control.
Posted on 10/11/18 at 1:51 pm to Tmcgin
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When has Trump ever been self deprecating? Trump has executive time everyday to follow himself on TV Trump has no friends everyone in his life is totally transactional. Trump tweets when its quiet (weekend mornings) so he is talked about more. Trump derides subordinates, Generals, cabinet peeps and people who try to explain things to him. He reminds me a lot of George Stienbrenner a success in spit e of himself
1. Often, through charity events, attending comedy shows etc. That's not a trait I recognize or even look for in most of our politicians though. I don't specifically remember instances of POTUS Obama doing so either, especially now whenever things really are improving under Trump as you admit.
2. Media has a 92% negative coverage rating of POTUS Trump. They have made it their job to counter him, as you mention he's done good things, but he does not get credit for any of them. So he has to watch and shape his message, otherwise no one would hear of any of the accomplishment he's made.
3. I don't pretend to know enough about his personal life, you shouldn't either.
4. Look back to #2 again, if media won't give him a fair shake, as proven by their coverage, this is his way of successfully reaching people.
5. I again, don't pretend to know the inner workings of these meetings. Here's a fricking fact though our country has been ran under these same people for a long time, and yet now under Trump as you admit things are better. What's the difference here? Them or Trump?
6. I watch hockey
Posted on 10/11/18 at 1:53 pm to HeyHeyHogsAllTheWay
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That doesn't negate the fact that CONGRESS creates budgets.
The President has no hand in that process?
Posted on 10/11/18 at 2:01 pm to cahoots
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Alright, but the President does not get a free pass regardless of how you look at it. And if you believe legislation ultimately hinges more on Congress, then that means we should downplay Trump's hand in the tax cuts or any other legislation that CONGRESS creates, no?
100% true, which is why in another thread today I listed as one of the to three things I was disappointed in Trump for was signing that bill. I mean I get it, he wanted full funding for the military and thought that was the only way he'd get it, but damn...
Posted on 10/11/18 at 2:03 pm to DisplacedBuckeye
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I'd love for you to explain what you mean by "gun owner control."
Simple enough. We need to better control who we allow to own guns. Multiple mentally ill morons using guns to kill people proves this is true.
It would be irresponsible to just throw your hands in the air and say "hey they have a right to own a gun, so nothing we can do"
Posted on 10/11/18 at 2:06 pm to HeyHeyHogsAllTheWay
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Simple enough. We need to better control who we allow to own guns. Multiple mentally ill morons using guns to kill people proves this is true.
So that's it. "Mentally ill morons" shouldn't own guns. What does that mean? How would that even look as legislation?
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It would be irresponsible to just throw your hands in the air and say "hey they have a right to own a gun, so nothing we can do"
Well, they do have a right to own a fireman, until someone proves otherwise. That's true for now, unless you and your boy Trump get your way.
Posted on 10/11/18 at 2:07 pm to Tmcgin
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I just cant get past the fact that Trump has NO moral compass and what he says means nothing ....nothing
He is probably the most honest Person ever when considering his actions to what he campaigned and was elected on.
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His loyalty is only to himself country, family and our people mean nothing to him.
You honestly think he doesn't care about this country? Do tell why that is.
Posted on 10/11/18 at 2:10 pm to Vecchio Cane
Not reading 11 pages, but there is a substantial number of people who readily admit that, as a human being, Trump is a pretty despicable human being, but politically support him more often than not, perhaps even 100% of the time. And there's nothing wrong with that, either.
For example, Trump may talk like he's never set foot in a church building..."Two Corinthians"...but many understand that when it comes to protecting religious freedom and the lives of the unborn, it was a no brainer to prefer Trump to Clinton.
I know people who voted for him only because of SCOTUS. And he has delivered. They will vote for him again in 2020.
For example, Trump may talk like he's never set foot in a church building..."Two Corinthians"...but many understand that when it comes to protecting religious freedom and the lives of the unborn, it was a no brainer to prefer Trump to Clinton.
I know people who voted for him only because of SCOTUS. And he has delivered. They will vote for him again in 2020.
This post was edited on 10/11/18 at 2:12 pm
Posted on 10/11/18 at 2:13 pm to Tmcgin
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Can't support a guy with ZERO moral compass
In 2016, the choice was between a guy with no moral compass, and a woman with no moral compass who was married to another guy with no moral compass.
So most people who have a moral compass picked the guy who they believed would support the things that are important to them.
And he has delivered.
This post was edited on 10/11/18 at 2:14 pm
Posted on 10/11/18 at 2:14 pm to RogerTheShrubber
quote:There is a lot of truth in these three paragraphs.
Problem is no one is discussing issues anymore. Just picking sides and screaming specific talking points. It's frustrating.
There are definitely very intelligent Progressives out there, but being intelligent (Left or right) doesn't make one socially aware. Politics are a social topic, and many intelligent people don't have a very high social IQ.
I rarely, if ever, see people discussing issues. It's all emotional drivel that cannot be logically argued for or against.
Posted on 10/11/18 at 2:14 pm to DisplacedBuckeye
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Well, they do have a right to own a fireman, until someone proves otherwise.
God damned you are stupid. This is what I said in my first fricking post. We have to have a system where we can decide who does and does not have a right to own a gun.
Posted on 10/11/18 at 2:20 pm to DisplacedBuckeye
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There's no such thing as "throwing away your vote." My vote counted the same as your vote. I voted for who I thought should be President, not for whoever was "not Hillary." That mentality is dangerous, and it needs to stop.
You do understand that it's this line of thinking that put Roy Moore on the ballot, right?
Brooks only got 19% of the vote in the primary. Give Strange those 19%, and he's in the Senate today.
19% of Alabama Republicans voted for a guy in the primary who didn't have a chance...and caused a Democrat to get elected.
Seems like your way of thinking is the one that's dangerous.
This post was edited on 10/11/18 at 2:22 pm
Posted on 10/11/18 at 2:22 pm to jnethe1
quote:I need not even make my own points, when nice folks like you do it for me.quote:Nice rebuttal. Childish douche
90% of the replies to this OP demonstrate the reason that you will not get a substantive response. It is simply impossible to have a substantive discussion about Trump in a room full of Trumpettes.
TMC tried to respond, and he immediately received a dozen ad hominem attacks.
Posted on 10/11/18 at 2:24 pm to DisplacedBuckeye
quote:I have always disliked this terminology. What do you mean is “no person who supports the widest possible interpretation of the 2nd Amendment.”
For starters, I'd like to see him support it. I quoted some of his thoughts about it above. I'm not a fan of those comments. No Second Amendment supporter should be OK with his ideas.
Posted on 10/11/18 at 2:26 pm to HeyHeyHogsAllTheWay
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God damned you are stupid.
Don't get emotional on me now...
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This is what I said in my first fricking post.
No it isn't.
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We have to have a system where we can decide who does and does not have a right to own a gun.
That isn't "everyone has a right to own a firearm, until someone proves otherwise." It's also not what Trump said, what you're melting about because I called it out. He said "take the firearms first and then go to court." I have yet to see you disagree with that. If you disagree with what he said, just say so. If I missed that disagreement, point it out.
Posted on 10/11/18 at 2:27 pm to BamaGradinTn
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You do understand that it's this line of thinking that put Roy Moore on the ballot, right?
No, that's not what put Roy Moore on the ballot.
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Alabama Republicans
There you go.
Posted on 10/11/18 at 2:29 pm to AggieHank86
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I have always disliked this terminology. What do you mean is “no person who supports the widest possible interpretation of the 2nd Amendment.”
No, that's not what I mean. I mean exactly what I said. You either support the Second Amendment, you don't support the Second Amendment, or you don't understand the Second Amendment.
Bill Nelson "supports the Second Amendment." What he really means is he doesn't understand it.
Posted on 10/11/18 at 2:32 pm to DisplacedBuckeye
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No, that's not what put Roy Moore on the ballot.
Alabama Republicans
There you go.
Well, duhhhh, who do you think those 19% that voted for Brooks were? Crossover Dems?
This post was edited on 10/11/18 at 2:33 pm
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