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re: The US overthrew the Yukanovych government in 2014
Posted on 2/27/22 at 9:25 am to jimmy the leg
Posted on 2/27/22 at 9:25 am to jimmy the leg
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It would seem as though Putin would beg to differ.
Or he's using it as an excuse and understands it's completely irrational.
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Also illegitimate, and something that you seem to think has no bearing on today’s events.
Because it's no longer in power and has been opposed by the current, legitimate government.
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So a coup is okay if it’s your guy. Interesting take.
Never said that. I have said multiple times in this thread that Ukraine had a right to oppose the US for its actions.
Russia did not, does not, and never did.
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Posted on 2/27/22 at 9:26 am to NC_Tigah
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So then is the Monroe Doctrine?
Well I said earlier they had an 1890 mindset, but if you want to go back to an 1823 mindset I won't oppose it.
I was trying to be nice to Putin
Posted on 2/27/22 at 9:27 am to NC_Tigah
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Missiles in Cuba?
Where did I say that I agreed with the blockade of Cuba? The US had missiles in Turkey that we didn’t see any problems with.
And it wasn’t like missiles in Cuba would have made much difference. Whether they are 90 miles away or 8,000 miles away, Russia had the capability of hitting us from both places.
I suspect Kennedy knew this. And the real reason for the Cuban Missile Crisis was to test the Kremlin’s resolve for a show down. The Kremlin blinked first.
Posted on 2/27/22 at 9:28 am to Eurocat
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No, Pelosi married into money.
That's what marrying a Harvard MBA gets you.
LINK /
That link is absolutely laughable. It simply states he is a wealthy businessman, that has invested in blue chip stocks, real estate and defunct football league teams. It gives zero insight into how he actually made money, at all. I would like for you to prove me wrong based on your article.
It also says he studied at Harvard, nothing about a degree. Nevertheless that is a pretty bad cover up for someone being rich, oh they went to Harvard nothing to see here.
Posted on 2/27/22 at 9:29 am to BuckyCheese
I’ll add, why did Obama acquiesce when Putin asked him to scuttle the missile defense shields in Eastern Europe. Why did Putin feel threatened by it? We can’t pretend like we didn’t know he was threatened by western military presence on his border.
I don’t think you can divorce the US from this situation. Perhaps the invasion still happens, maybe sooner, the the US influence has affected the region, likely in a counterproductive way.
I don’t think you can divorce the US from this situation. Perhaps the invasion still happens, maybe sooner, the the US influence has affected the region, likely in a counterproductive way.
This post was edited on 2/27/22 at 9:31 am
Posted on 2/27/22 at 9:33 am to SouthEasternKaiju
quote:"Nazi" is as ridiculous a term in addressing Ukrainian politics as it is our own.
If this were true it would be reported all over the news!!
That being said, the dude we installed, Petro Poroshenko, made the Clintons look honest by comparison. He was horrid.
This post was edited on 2/27/22 at 9:40 am
Posted on 2/27/22 at 9:38 am to UndercoverBryologist
quote:Good lord that is stupid on so many levels. Notwithstanding technology of the period, it's still dumb.
Whether they are 90 miles away or 8,000 miles away,
quote:I don't give a damn what you agree with. The discussion relates to spheres of influence and foreign policy.
Where did I say that I agreed with the blockade of Cuba?
Posted on 2/27/22 at 9:39 am to SlowFlowPro
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Yes I do. I'm saying their perspective is without logic, morality, or legality.
It’s without logic morality or legality FROM YOUR PERSPECTIVE.
Was Ukraine talking about joining NATO, yes or no?
NATO is not a defensive alliance FROM RUSSIA’S PERSPECTIVE.
My god, this is not hard to understand
Posted on 2/27/22 at 9:40 am to DyeHardDylan
The people of Ukraine overthrew Yukanovych (parliament voted him out unanimously) after months of protest.
You say it’s was illegitimate, the people of Ukraine do not currently appear to agree with you.
You say it’s was illegitimate, the people of Ukraine do not currently appear to agree with you.
Posted on 2/27/22 at 9:41 am to SlowFlowPro
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Then why bring it up in a discussion about Putin's invasion of Ukraine (in 2022, not the other one in 2014)?
Because the United States is not some neutral and benign observer in this crisis. All the corrupted players who supported that coup are all front and center in the Biden Regime.
This post was edited on 2/27/22 at 9:44 am
Posted on 2/27/22 at 9:42 am to WaWaWeeWa
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It’s without logic morality or legality FROM YOUR PERSPECTIVE.
No. Logic is a set concept.
The illegality is clear.
Morality is the only ambiguous factor.
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Was Ukraine talking about joining NATO, yes or no?
I think they would have joined eventually.
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NATO is not a defensive alliance FROM RUSSIA’S PERSPECTIVE.
Then they're insane or irrational. You pick.
Posted on 2/27/22 at 9:42 am to NC_Tigah
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spheres of influence
“Sphere of influence” is an imperialistic concept. As a nation born of revolution against an empire, we should extend the same courtesy to other nations by staying out of their business.
(Edit: Not withstanding mutually agreed upon treaties that allow us to coordinate and cooperate with other nations while maintaining the sovereignty of both sides.)
And we should be horrified when Russia also meddles in sovereign nations’ businesses. (But that doesn’t give us the green light to intervene. We should watch from the side lines and quietly hope that the imperial aggressor is repelled.)
This post was edited on 2/27/22 at 9:44 am
Posted on 2/27/22 at 9:42 am to ksayetiger
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You really think this govt gives a rats arse about polling?
More than Ukrainian lives? 100%.
Posted on 2/27/22 at 9:43 am to Toomer Deplorable
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Because the United States is not some neutral and benign observer in this crisis.
Ok. I'll give you a follow up question to your non-answer: What does the US have to do with Putin's 2022 invasion of Ukraine?
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All the corrupted players who supported that coup all front and center in the Biden Regime.
And what does this have to do with 2022? You refuse to answer.
Posted on 2/27/22 at 9:43 am to SlowFlowPro
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Never said that. I have said multiple times in this thread that Ukraine had a right to oppose the US for its actions. Russia did not, does not, and never did.
We will agree to disagree.
If the CCP installed a regime in Mexico, under your application of logic, the USA would not have a right to oppose it?
FWIW, Russia cooked the election in typical Putin form, leading to the international response. However, thinking Ukraine would oppose the US installation of a puppet regime is also moronic. They were simply being bullied by a (self avowed) altruistic group (the Democrat’s). The people of Ukraine have gone about life (until recently at least). That doesn’t mean that the elections there have been legitimate. The place is a cesspool of corruption (think Louisiana, but worse).
And yes,
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he's using it as an excuse and understands it's completely irrational.
Putin is not a “good guy,” as has been alleged by a handful of posters. He is diabolical.
Posted on 2/27/22 at 9:43 am to DyeHardDylan
Hundreds of Russian puppets on here today frantically upclicking shite like this
Posted on 2/27/22 at 9:45 am to SlowFlowPro
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All the corrupted players who supported that coup all front and center in the Biden Regime.
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And what does this have to do with 2022?
It is a direct tie from past corruption to current events. That isn’t difficult to grasp.
Posted on 2/27/22 at 9:45 am to Eurocat
quote:He has a Harvard MBA like Jill Biden has a Doctorate of Medicine. His degree is from New York. The Pelosi's made their money through Nanci's leveraged influence.
No, Pelosi married into money.
That's what marrying a Harvard MBA gets you.
This post was edited on 2/27/22 at 10:31 am
Posted on 2/27/22 at 9:46 am to jimmy the leg
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If the CCP installed a regime in Mexico, under your application of logic, the USA would not have a right to oppose it?
It would not give us the right to invade Mexico.
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The people of Ukraine have gone about life (until recently at least). That doesn’t mean that the elections there have been legitimate.
I don't think there is any real dispute that the current government is legitimate. The response of the people to Russian aggression doubles down on this.
2014? Yeah there are questions (again, why the Russian invasion of Crimea gets a pass of sorts)
2022? Not really, which makes invading in 2022 legitimately insane (and using 2014 as a justification even moreso)
Posted on 2/27/22 at 9:47 am to UndercoverBryologist
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“Sphere of influence” is an imperialistic concept. As a nation born of revolution against an empire, we should extend the same courtesy to other nations by staying out of their business.
I agree, but that simply isn’t the world of Geo-politics with two slices of corruption.
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