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re: The US overthrew the Yukanovych government in 2014
Posted on 2/27/22 at 8:59 am to Vacherie Saint
Posted on 2/27/22 at 8:59 am to Vacherie Saint
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So this justifies the US going in there and installing a puppet government? I though liberals were against shite like this.
Now you all act like Karl Rove.
Glenn Greenwald predicted this. And here it is.
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Posted on 2/27/22 at 9:08 am to Toomer Deplorable
Oh what a difference Trump makes...
Here are Pelosi, Biden, and Schumer standing arm in arm with the Bushes and Cheneys— ready to wage war, nation build, and reap the financial benefits thereof.
And liberals who dreamed of locking Bush away for war crimes now stand and cheer for his brand of new-age surrogate imperialism.
Here are Pelosi, Biden, and Schumer standing arm in arm with the Bushes and Cheneys— ready to wage war, nation build, and reap the financial benefits thereof.
And liberals who dreamed of locking Bush away for war crimes now stand and cheer for his brand of new-age surrogate imperialism.
Posted on 2/27/22 at 9:09 am to SlowFlowPro
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The government we allegedly installed via coup isn't even in power
This. The Ukrainians rid themselves of the corrupt government in 2019. Zelensky indicted Poroshenko, who was funneling money to the Bidens and others.
Why do you think Biden is still buying in excess of $20 million dollars of oil per day from Russia while also blathering on about sanctions?
Posted on 2/27/22 at 9:10 am to SlowFlowPro
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I never said that. Stop projecting.
You first.
Criticizing the repeated failed interventionist policies of the United States is not in any manner an apology for Putin’s invasion of the Ukraine.
It is just a talking point/propaganda piece for people who want to absolve the United States for it’s continued insanity in these matters.
This post was edited on 2/27/22 at 9:13 am
Posted on 2/27/22 at 9:11 am to Vacherie Saint
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And liberals who dreamed of locking Bush away for war crimes now stand and cheer for his brand of new-age surrogate imperialism.
It is surreal to witness.
Posted on 2/27/22 at 9:13 am to crewdepoo
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Can you translate that to Russian
Since it seems that reading comprehension isn’t your strong suit, I will simply put a gif so you don’t get confused. Then again, what I just wrote probably confused you. Nonetheless, here is the gif to summarize the OP’s post:
Posted on 2/27/22 at 9:14 am to Toomer Deplorable
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Criticizing the repeated failed interventionist policies of the United States is not in any manner an apology for Putin’s invasion of the Ukraine.
Then why bring it up in a discussion about Putin's invasion of Ukraine (in 2022, not the other one in 2014)?
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. It is just a talking point/propaganda piece for people who want to absolve the United States for it’s confined insanity in these matters.
Doesn't even fit.
Nobody is absolving the US from its sins in 2014 (again, for this discussion we're assuming that's the truth. it may not be). But 2014 is irrelevant to 2022 and it's breaking your brain to admit that.
The government we allegedly installed in 2014 is not in power.
Russia invaded this legitimate government in 2022 that was opposed to the 2014 regime the US allegedly installed.
If we installed this 2014 government, only Ukraine had the right to respond to our meddling. Russia had no right to respond to the US or Ukraine.
These are all facts.
So, I ask you this plainly: what does 2014 have to do with Russia's invasion of Ukraine in 2022?
Posted on 2/27/22 at 9:16 am to SlowFlowPro
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So, I ask you this plainly: what does 2014 have to do with Russia's invasion of Ukraine in 2022?
“Forget it, Jake. It’s Poliboard.”
Posted on 2/27/22 at 9:17 am to SlowFlowPro
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Ukraine joining NATO would virtually guarantee an American/NATO military presence at the Russian border and that is a direct threat to the Russians.
And this is the lie.
Why would this threaten Russia? This isn't 1890 anymore. If we didn't get into a hot war with Russia from 1945-1990, then why would we now?
So you'd be cool with China putting planes, tanks, etc in Mexico.
I mean, it's not 1890 anymore...
Posted on 2/27/22 at 9:19 am to SlowFlowPro
quote:Tell that to Afghanistan
NATO is a defensive pact.
Posted on 2/27/22 at 9:19 am to BuckyCheese
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So you'd be cool with China putting planes, tanks, etc in Mexico.
I mean, it's not 1890 anymore...
By any principled stand that respects sovereignty of nations, if Mexico wishes to lease bases to China, then that is not a legitimate reason for American invasion of Mexico.
What the US should do, if that ever happens is to us offer Mexico a better deal. Sorta like an employee who accepts bids from employers. Raise the bid to Mexico with a better deal for them in exchange for keeping Mexico either neutral or pro-American.
This post was edited on 2/27/22 at 9:23 am
Posted on 2/27/22 at 9:21 am to SlowFlowPro
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NATO is a defensive pact. Russia using actual aggression to prevent a country from joining a defensive pact shows why NATO is still needed.
Do you not understand that they have a different perspective? It’s like you have the emotional intelligence of a 5 year old.
We can call it whatever we want but weapons and troops on their border speaks for itself.
You wouldn’t be ok with Russia forming a “defensive pact” with Mexico and having Russian troops by our southern border. Be honest.
Posted on 2/27/22 at 9:21 am to BuckyCheese
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So you'd be cool with China putting planes, tanks, etc in Mexico.
That stupid talking point was already addressed in this thread.
Posted on 2/27/22 at 9:22 am to NC_Tigah
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Tell that to Afghanistan
As already addressed, that was a UN mission requesting NATO assistance. Any perceived aggression was via the UN (and supported by both China and Russia).
Posted on 2/27/22 at 9:23 am to SlowFlowPro
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The current government, by pretty much all account, was elected and has popular support within the country.
True
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Given that fact, the answer to your question is: The 2014 coup has no rational or legitimate bearing on 2022.
It would seem as though Putin would beg to differ.
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Had that government stayed in power, then internally, Ukraine would 100% have a grievance
The ethnic Russians may disagree with you.
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for the sake of this argument I'm assuming the US helped a coup to oust an illegitimate Russian-proxy puppet government
I agree
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and replaced it with a US-proxy anti-Russian government).
Also illegitimate, and something that you seem to think has no bearing on today’s events.
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The 2014 coup is just a talking point/propaganda piece for people who want to shite on the US and blame us for Russia's insanity.
So a coup is okay if it’s your guy. Interesting take.
Somehow, you seemed to have left out:
Bush in Georgia (not the good kind).
Blankets
Hunter Biden
A BS impeachment
A sitting *president actually being guilty of what his predecessor was falsely accused of.
Biden eating ice cream in Delaware while the shite hits the fan.
Other than that, your post is quite insightful.
Posted on 2/27/22 at 9:23 am to UndercoverBryologist
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By any principled stand that respects sovereignty of nations, if Mexico wishes to lease bases to China, then that is not a pretext for American invasion of Mexico.
No one is excusing Putin’s actions. We are simply telling you his motive. And we are directly responsible for fueling the scenario that lead to these actions.
Posted on 2/27/22 at 9:23 am to UndercoverBryologist
quote:Missiles in Cuba?
By any principled stand that respects sovereignty of nations
Posted on 2/27/22 at 9:23 am to WaWaWeeWa
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Do you not understand that they have a different perspective?
Yes I do.
I'm saying their perspective is without logic, morality, or legality.
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You wouldn’t be ok with Russia forming a “defensive pact” with Mexico and having Russian troops by our southern border. Be honest.
OH MY GOD THE ILLOGICAL TALKING POINTS STRIKE AGAIN
Posted on 2/27/22 at 9:24 am to DyeHardDylan
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Obama Administration worked to support neo-Nazis in Ukraine who helped stage a coup and implement a western puppet government
If this were true it would be reported all over the news!!
Posted on 2/27/22 at 9:24 am to SlowFlowPro
quote:So then is the Monroe Doctrine?
I'm saying their perspective is without logic, morality, or legality.
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