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Posted on 9/21/23 at 11:44 am to RoosterCogburn585
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So again then I ask, what is the limit to the amount we are willing to GIVE to Ukraine?
I guess anything $1 less or under than it's going to cost us to put troops on the ground in Poland or Romania saves us money, doesn't it?
What did we figure the total true cost of the Iraq war was, $3 Trillion? So 2 followed by a bunch of 9s and commas.
Posted on 9/21/23 at 11:45 am to wackatimesthree
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I guess anything $1 less or under than it's going to cost us to put troops on the ground in Poland or Romania saves us money, doesn't it?
Oh. So this is a money saving endeavor. I didn't realize we were saving money by dumping funds and weapons down a black hole of corruption.
Posted on 9/21/23 at 11:48 am to wackatimesthree
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Not exactly, but we do have a signed agreement between us, Ukraine, France, China, and Russia to leave Ukraine alone in exchange for them giving up nuclear weapons when they had the 3rd largest arsenal in the world, and Russia is violating the hell out of that agreement.
We have no legal obligation via treaty to defend Ukraine, period end of story. We are choosing to for reasons we are not going to agree on.
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It's also an insignificant amount in the context of our entire budget.
If its insignificant try getting $110B approved for anything outside of green initiatives or defense and get back to me.
We shouldn't have spent it, we dont have it and if we were going to blow it we should've done so to benefit Americans.
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Realize you are parroting Barack Obama with your "The 80s called and they want their foreign policy back." That company should tell you something about your stance.
You want to base a decision to fight a proxy war based on whether some opposition political figure made a quote a decade ago?
And then accuse me of being tribal?
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Foreign policy in the 80s worked out very well for the US.
We arent in a cold war except maybe domestically and the policy decisions made 40 years ago have nothing to do with what's in our best interest today.
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Those who have pointed out that Russia will not stop with Ukraine, the next country is going to be a NATO country
You think a nation who cant even handle Ukraine is gonna take on Poland and NATO? Come on, you don't actually believe that do you?
You're using the same logic that got us into Vietnam to justify a war against an enemy with 10% of the fighting capacity of that failed war.
This post was edited on 9/21/23 at 11:50 am
Posted on 9/21/23 at 11:53 am to wackatimesthree
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It's also an insignificant amount in the context of our entire budget.
$5 billion for a border wall sure as hell seemed significant 5 years ago.
Posted on 9/21/23 at 11:59 am to RoosterCogburn585
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So HVAU, should there be any limit to the US support of Ukraine? If we have to be bankrupt for Ukraine to survive, is that an acceptable outcome? If it lowers the defense readiness of the US, but Ukraine survives, is that acceptable? I honestly want your real opinion on these questions.
1. Yes there should be a limit, and the calculus of that limit is already being discussed in the defense department. That’s why you haven’t seen the US transferring all of what Ukraine asks for.
2. Again, the economic calculus of supporting Ukraine is being discussed. The funding for aid is part of the the defense budget.
3. No. US defense readiness should not be sacrificed, and looking at the choices of weaponry silly to Ukraine by the US, that readiness isn’t being sacrificed.
Posted on 9/21/23 at 12:07 pm to VOR
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Ukraine is an independent,sovereign country, aligned, for the most part with Western European democracies, with whom the US
has treaty obligations. It literally was attacked by Russia because of Putin’s desire to re-create the Eastern Bloc that was supported and effectively ruled by the old Soviet Union. It is in the best interest of the US and Western Europe that Russian aggression be defeated. Yes, Ukraine is a smaller country without the resources of Russia or the U.S., but that makes US support even more critical.
Good grief there is a whole load of full retard in this...
Posted on 9/21/23 at 12:12 pm to wackatimesthree
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guess anything $1 less or under than it's going to cost us to put troops on the ground in Poland or Romania saves us money, doesn't it?
Can you show one bit of intel, one speech by Putin or anything at all to support the claim that the alternative to funding the war in Ukraine is Russia invading Poland?
Otherwise this is just a straw man meant to deflect away from you not wanting to argue the specific merits of us fighting in Ukraine.
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What did we figure the total true cost of the Iraq war was, $3 Trillion? So 2 followed by a bunch of 9s and commas.
We should’ve never fought GW2 either if it makes you feel any better. Only reason we did was that we were lied to by our IC then just like we are being lied to now.
This post was edited on 9/21/23 at 1:23 pm
Posted on 9/21/23 at 12:15 pm to Ribbed
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I didn't realize
That's because you are one of these curious Lousiana idiots that mostly populate this site.
Posted on 9/21/23 at 12:15 pm to RoosterCogburn585
quote:Putin.
What exactly about Russia is evil?
Posted on 9/21/23 at 12:16 pm to Ribbed
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Oh, well... I guess I have to support it now.
Funny thing is, that's literally how most voters behave.
Posted on 9/21/23 at 12:16 pm to tide06
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anything at all
You mean besides the fact that he invaded Ukraine without any provocation?
Posted on 9/21/23 at 12:19 pm to Godfather1
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$5 billion for a border wall sure as hell seemed significant 5 years ago.
Not to anyone who knows what the federal budget looks like.
Not to me.
Posted on 9/21/23 at 12:21 pm to RoosterCogburn585
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Can the board's huge Ukraine supporters
Wrong board.
Posted on 9/21/23 at 12:22 pm to Eurocat
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This smells like just another bullspit argument for peace at all costs, even if the cost if your country getting taken over by evil.
As dumb as you are which is obvious from reading your post history, even you aren't stupid enough to believe our country will be "taken over by evil" if we didn't support Ukraine.
This post was edited on 9/21/23 at 8:52 pm
Posted on 9/21/23 at 12:25 pm to wackatimesthree
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That's because you are one of these curious Lousiana idiots that mostly populate this site.
Yeah, I can't think of a time where the globalist central planning types and their pet intel agencies got together to deceive the public about one of their ops in recent memory. Can you? I suppose we can trust they're all above board this time. Putin is a bad man. Zelensky is a good puppet. What can go wrong?
Posted on 9/21/23 at 12:38 pm to wackatimesthree
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anything at all
You mean besides the fact that he invaded Ukraine without any provocation?
No provocation? You just nuked any credibility you thought you had with that statement.
Posted on 9/21/23 at 12:42 pm to Godfather1
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$5 billion for a border wall sure as hell seemed significant 5 years ago.
Yep. Dems wailed, gnashed their teeth, tore their clothes and heaped ashes upon their heads at the sheer audacity of Trump to propose such an inhumane concept as a border wall.
Posted on 9/21/23 at 12:44 pm to VoxDawg
Muh wall isn’t practical!
Posted on 9/21/23 at 12:57 pm to wackatimesthree
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I guess anything $1 less or under than it's going to cost us to put troops on the ground in Poland or Romania saves us money, doesn't it?
That's quite a non-answer huh,
. So $1 less than an unquantifiable number that is all based on conjecture and what people think may happen. The US intelligence department has never been wrong, right?
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