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Posted on 1/6/20 at 9:45 am to Priapus
quote:Say what? Cyrus selected the site of Persepolis (then called Parsa), and Darius built it. It is VERY hard to get more Persian than that.quote:Which are not Iranian anyway.
No one with any brains is suggesting that we are planning to bomb the ruins of Persepolis or ancient Safavid sites.
Or do you claim that New York is not American, since it was originally founded by our Dutch ancestors, rather than the English ones? What about New Orleans?
This post was edited on 1/6/20 at 9:59 am
Posted on 1/6/20 at 9:58 am to mmcgrath
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He's trying to be as mean and hurtful as he can, because that is what he does.
You sound like my fricking ex.
Posted on 1/6/20 at 9:59 am to DavidTheGnome
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is Trump really calling for bombing of non-military cultural sites?
I’d need to know more about what that is an umbrella term for before answering. In general, it doesn’t make sense to attack things that don’t advance the strategic objective. I still can’t shake the feeling that we’re getting suckered in to resolving an internecine Islamic civil war in favor of the Sunni over the Shia and if we do this in ten years Erdogan will simply have replaced the Mullahs as the problem child of the day.
That’s probably because I am looking at this in the historical / religious context.
Posted on 1/6/20 at 10:00 am to AggieHank86
Comparing Persia to Dutch immigrants. 
Posted on 1/6/20 at 10:00 am to AggieHank86
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Or do you claim that New York is not American, since it was originally founded by our Dutch
New York is not American because it’s one of the bluest of blue states with a massive non American population. It would probably be more American if the Dutch still owned it.
This post was edited on 1/6/20 at 10:01 am
Posted on 1/6/20 at 10:03 am to SSpaniel
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the fact that we are civilized
It's definitely eroding.
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Posted on 1/6/20 at 10:12 am to DavidTheGnome
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What are your thoughts
Well, according to the Geneva Convention, targeting and destroying cultural sites is a war crime.
The Hague Convention
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In 1954 representatives from the United Nations met at The Hague in the Netherlands under the auspices of UNESCO where they wrote and adopted the 1954 Hague Convention for the Protection of Cultural Property in the Event of Armed Conflict. The Preamble to the Convention sets forth the principle that because “damage to cultural property belonging to any people whatsoever means damage to the cultural heritage of all mankind,” it is incumbent upon the international community to enact special legal measures for its safeguarding. The main convention then defines the term ‘cultural property’ for the first time and, in contrast to the Hague Conventions of 1899 and 1907, includes both moveable and immovable property in that category.
But I've been told repeatedly on this board that international courts don't mean anything and we can essentially do whatever we want because no one can stop us or enforce their laws on us.
Posted on 1/6/20 at 10:31 am to Traffic Circle
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It’s wrong.
There is no question here. You can ask. You can think. It’s fricking wrong.
Herein lies the problem... you can disagree with the response... but unless you are ignorant of context you cannot say it is "wrong".
Iran has been engaging in acts of war in the strait of hormuz shipping lane for years, blatantly defying international law by being a state sponser of international terrorism and is responsible for the deaths of many of our service personnel through the support of proxy groups.
Further, Trump has sent a signal to the Iranian decision makers that if they continue the path they have pursued, there will be further repercussions.
Again you can disagree with the method, but Trump has been clear in his message.
I think that any objective, rational person anywhere given the context of Iran's behavior as a nation state in recent years would view your use of the term "wrong" as curious and misapplied at best.
This post was edited on 1/6/20 at 10:33 am
Posted on 1/6/20 at 10:33 am to DavidTheGnome
It happened in WWII.
Total war. Gloves off.
Total war. Gloves off.
Posted on 1/6/20 at 10:36 am to AU86
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It happened in WWII. Total war. Gloves off.
True. I happen to believe that any war worth waging is worth waging totally. The fundamental objective of any war is to cause a loss of faith in the cause for the other side. That’s why we lost Vietnam. That’s the only way we can beat Islam.
This post was edited on 1/6/20 at 10:37 am
Posted on 1/6/20 at 10:39 am to DavidTheGnome
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What are your thoughts, is Trump really calling for bombing of non-military cultural sites?
To specifically answer your question... I do not assume Trump is calling for bombing non-military / cultural sites...
I would not be for that type of military response under the current circumstances.
On the other hand, if anyone is "hiding" military assets at these type of locations... it becomes fair game.
That would be a dumb down version of my take on it.
This post was edited on 1/6/20 at 10:41 am
Posted on 1/6/20 at 10:58 am to DavidTheGnome
I think the most amusing part of this thread is the liberals in here acting like destroying cultural icons is something they oppose.
Beyond that. Meh. Trump has handed Iran 100% control over the situation. They have 100% ability to prevent themselves from getting attacked.
It's like when your kid doesn't do their homework after you've told them if they don't do it, they can't go to the concert they planned to attend.
Failure to get to the concert is 100% on them
Beyond that. Meh. Trump has handed Iran 100% control over the situation. They have 100% ability to prevent themselves from getting attacked.
It's like when your kid doesn't do their homework after you've told them if they don't do it, they can't go to the concert they planned to attend.
Failure to get to the concert is 100% on them
Posted on 1/6/20 at 11:18 am to ShortyRob
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They have 100% ability to prevent themselves from getting attacked.
So do we. After all, we're the ones over there.
Posted on 1/6/20 at 11:27 am to WildTchoupitoulas
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So do we. After all, we're the ones over there.
Unsurprising post from Wild
Posted on 1/6/20 at 11:28 am to DavidTheGnome
quote:By the way. "Some at a high level and important to Iranian culture" =/= "we're gonna blow up your cultural icons.
Or was this just worded badly and that’s not really what he meant?
I mean, blowing up capital hill would be "important to US culture", but, it wouldn't be a "cultural" site per se
Posted on 1/6/20 at 11:31 am to mmcgrath
quote:To whom?
He's trying to be as mean and hurtful
Posted on 1/6/20 at 11:33 am to klrstix
quote:
To specifically answer your question... I do not assume Trump is calling for bombing non-military / cultural sites... I would not be for that type of military response under the current circumstances. On the other hand, if anyone is "hiding" military assets at these type of locations... it becomes fair game. That would be a dumb down version of my take on it.
This is my take as well. For the past 19 years, even longer if you go back to Kosovo, Muslims have used mosques and other “cultural sites” as safe havens for materials and combatants.
Not going to give them a safe space this time.
Posted on 1/6/20 at 11:36 am to DavidTheGnome
I support what he said. There won't be any bombing as long as Iran doesn't act. The ball is in their court.
Posted on 1/6/20 at 11:37 am to YipSkiddlyDooo
Funny to see the Left get so up in arms about protecting Iranian cultural sites after they have fervently sought to destroy cultural sites in our own country.
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