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The TWA 800 Whistleblower Is Legit
Posted on 8/12/22 at 2:29 pm
Posted on 8/12/22 at 2:29 pm
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The TWA 800 Whistleblower Is Legit
By Jack Cashill
In the past few weeks, I have received numerous inquiries about ten-year Navy veteran William Henry Teele III. After years of quietly providing information to me and other investigators into the July 1996 destruction of TWA Flight 800 off the coast of Long Island, Teele has gone public and is naming names.
I shared some of Teele’s information in my 2016 book, TWA 800: The Crash, The Cover-Up, The Conspiracy. Teele did not claim to be on the ship that fired the missile. He was on the USS Carr, a guided missile frigate that was one of the “combatants” in the battle group that destroyed the unfortunate 747 and killed the 230 souls on board. Everything that I could verify about Teele’s account back then checked out.
Teele describes the assumed enemy as a “low, slow flier flying toward us.” The tragedy that followed would likely have been averted had not air traffic control held the Paris-bound TWA 800 at 13,700 feet to allow US Air 217 heading north to pass safely overhead. “I believe we jumped the gun,” said Teele. “We had a track on a contact that came out that fit the profile that we were given.” TWA 800 became the “assumed enemy.” Says Teele, “It matched the drill.”
Two missiles were fired. Over his headset, Teele heard the announcement, “Birds away.” A few minutes later, he heard “Splash,” meaning the missiles had hit the target. Soon after that, he heard someone say, “Wo, wo, wo.” And another person added, “Wait a minute. We hit an Airbus.”
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The TWA 800 Whistleblower Is Legit
By Jack Cashill
In the past few weeks, I have received numerous inquiries about ten-year Navy veteran William Henry Teele III. After years of quietly providing information to me and other investigators into the July 1996 destruction of TWA Flight 800 off the coast of Long Island, Teele has gone public and is naming names.
I shared some of Teele’s information in my 2016 book, TWA 800: The Crash, The Cover-Up, The Conspiracy. Teele did not claim to be on the ship that fired the missile. He was on the USS Carr, a guided missile frigate that was one of the “combatants” in the battle group that destroyed the unfortunate 747 and killed the 230 souls on board. Everything that I could verify about Teele’s account back then checked out.
Teele describes the assumed enemy as a “low, slow flier flying toward us.” The tragedy that followed would likely have been averted had not air traffic control held the Paris-bound TWA 800 at 13,700 feet to allow US Air 217 heading north to pass safely overhead. “I believe we jumped the gun,” said Teele. “We had a track on a contact that came out that fit the profile that we were given.” TWA 800 became the “assumed enemy.” Says Teele, “It matched the drill.”
Two missiles were fired. Over his headset, Teele heard the announcement, “Birds away.” A few minutes later, he heard “Splash,” meaning the missiles had hit the target. Soon after that, he heard someone say, “Wo, wo, wo.” And another person added, “Wait a minute. We hit an Airbus.”
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Posted on 8/12/22 at 2:31 pm to djmed
Why the huge coverup if it was an accident?
Posted on 8/12/22 at 2:34 pm to Rex Feral
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Why the huge coverup if it was an accident?
It wasn’t an accident. It was negligence caused by poor training. And it was on Bill Clinton’s watch. Of course they covered it up.
Posted on 8/12/22 at 2:49 pm to Rex Feral
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Why the huge coverup if it was an accident?
Tradition or force of habit
Posted on 8/12/22 at 2:50 pm to djmed
I’ve never believed we got an adequate explanation on this one, but this seems too far fetched. Isn’t this the one that was flying east over the Long Island Sound? Why would a Navy ship fire on an aircraft that was clearly coming from the continental US? Doesn’t make sense.
Posted on 8/12/22 at 3:01 pm to SloaneRanger
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Why would a Navy ship fire on an aircraft that was clearly coming from the continental US? Doesn’t make sense.
Read the article.
Posted on 8/12/22 at 3:02 pm to djmed
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The stuff that happened on the night of July 17, 1996 outraged Teele’s CO, Captain Wray. “These have got to be the dumbest idiots I’ve ever seen in my life,” Teele remembers Wray as saying. “How do you accidentally fire a missile? You don’t know the color of missiles? One is blue. One is white. Blue mean training. White means live. You’ve got to be stupid to put a white on the rail.” Although his memory as to which ship was responsible is admittedly uncertain, Teele believes it was the Leyte Gulf
So were they supposed to be using "blue" training missiles, but instead used "white" live fire missiles? If they had used the training missiles, could the accident have been avoided? Or would a blunt object still frick up a commercial airliner?
Posted on 8/12/22 at 3:08 pm to boxcarbarney
A blunt probably still would have fricked up an airliner on a transatlantic flight.
The famous landing on the river in NYC happened due to a bird getting sucked into the engine. Chunks of shrapnel caused by a training missile hitting a plan likely would have gone through the engine too depending on placement.
The famous landing on the river in NYC happened due to a bird getting sucked into the engine. Chunks of shrapnel caused by a training missile hitting a plan likely would have gone through the engine too depending on placement.
Posted on 8/12/22 at 3:18 pm to djmed
The failure model as described by the 'investigation' has never been repeated in millions of flights. They even went through the charade of proposing a nitrogen purge system.
As usual, they just lie, lie, lie and get away with it.
As usual, they just lie, lie, lie and get away with it.
Posted on 8/12/22 at 3:18 pm to djmed
If this was legit more than 1 person would have leaked it
Multiple ships, probably thousands of sailors
You can keep that many people quiet? Nope
Multiple ships, probably thousands of sailors
You can keep that many people quiet? Nope
Posted on 8/12/22 at 3:19 pm to SloaneRanger
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I’ve never believed we got an adequate explanation on this one, but this seems too far fetched. Isn’t this the one that was flying east over the Long Island Sound? Why would a Navy ship fire on an aircraft that was clearly coming from the continental US? Doesn’t make sense.
There are way too many big mouths in the Navy for this to be a cover up. One night at the Chief’s club and this would have been all over the fleet.
Posted on 8/12/22 at 3:21 pm to Godfather1
I did look at the article. I’m not familiar with how the Navy conducts its training operations, but this was and is congested airspace with many, many civilian aircraft flying to Europe. I find it impossible to believe that the Navy would conduct its fire training exercises in this particular location. Maybe I’m just wrong.
Posted on 8/12/22 at 3:21 pm to Godfather1
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It wasn’t an accident. It was negligence caused by poor training. And it was on Bill Clinton’s watch. Of course they covered it up.
It was caused by empty fuel cells on a 747. The problem still hasn't been fixed, but it wasn't terrorism.
Posted on 8/12/22 at 3:24 pm to teke184
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A blunt probably still would have fricked up an airliner on a transatlantic flight.
The famous landing on the river in NYC happened due to a bird getting sucked into the engine. Chunks of shrapnel caused by a training missile hitting a plan likely would have gone through the engine too depending on placement.
Do training missiles actually explode?
I know live missiles have something like a proximity fuse and will go off as long as they are within a certain distance of the target, and the pressure wave/shrapnel does the damage, much like a torpedo detonating under a ship breaks the keel.
Would a training missile have to make a direct hit to do damage, but otherwise just sailed past it?
Posted on 8/12/22 at 3:27 pm to Irons Puppet
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It was caused by empty fuel cells on a 747. The problem still hasn't been fixed, but it wasn't terrorism.
bullshite, as is evidenced by the millions of hours of flight time on that exact airframe. Also, nobody takes off from JFK to Paris with empty fuel tanks. Complete bullshite.
Posted on 8/12/22 at 3:29 pm to djmed
If the Navy had any involvement in this there would have been no less than 6 books written by people claiming to be the one who accidentally hit the launch button.
Posted on 8/12/22 at 3:34 pm to Tesla
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bullshite, as is evidenced by the millions of hours of flight time on that exact airframe. Also, nobody takes off from JFK to Paris with empty fuel tanks. Complete bullshite.
Empty center tanks that were not needed for this flight. Very common. I have seen the crash remains at the NTSB lab. They rebuilt the main fuselage of the aircraft, with its seats. You can see the explosion location of the fuel tanks and there are not any penetration points in the aircraft body. The reason they chase the rabbit down the terrorist hole for 6 months was because of the FBI and the fact the aircraft broke in half after the explosion.
Posted on 8/12/22 at 3:43 pm to Irons Puppet
So, you’re claiming to be one of a handful of NTSB agents, DoD, Boeing, TWA or FBI agents with access to the wreckage after it was reassembled fully?
Riiiiight.
Riiiiight.
Posted on 8/12/22 at 3:48 pm to Godfather1
"It wasn’t an accident. It was negligence caused by poor training."
What you just described is an accident.
What you just described is an accident.
Posted on 8/12/22 at 3:49 pm to Tesla
quote:
So, you’re claiming to be one of a handful of NTSB agents, DoD, Boeing, TWA or FBI agents with access to the wreckage after it was reassembled fully?
Riiiiight.
No dumbass. The wreckage used to be part of their lab in Virginia that is used in the training for accident investigation. I have attended training there (DOD). It isn't open to the public and I think they have plans for its removal in the near future. It is a very sobering exhibit.
Riiight, dumbass.
This post was edited on 8/12/22 at 3:52 pm
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