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re: The True History of the Jonestown Cult, WWII, and How Winston Churchill Ruined Europe
Posted on 9/4/24 at 11:13 am to LookSquirrel
Posted on 9/4/24 at 11:13 am to LookSquirrel
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The leaflets were titled "A Last Appeal to Reason" by AH.
Yes yes, we should definitely believe this propaganda spread by Adolf Hitler when he had already invaded multiple countries and we know from a variety of sources he had no intention of honoring this whatsoever.
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Posted on 9/4/24 at 11:15 am to LookSquirrel
Wow this is absolutely retarded.
Posted on 9/4/24 at 11:15 am to OBReb6
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So much so that I pay for his substack.
Not surprising you would pay money to an idiot.
Posted on 9/4/24 at 11:17 am to LookSquirrel
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How Winston Churchill Ruined Europe
Well, that right there is the biggest load of garbage that there is. Anyone who genuinely thinks that simply cannot be taken seriously on anything else.
Posted on 9/4/24 at 11:19 am to OBReb6
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I never heard him say that exactly, but I don’t personally see why one would believe it would have happened had Britain accepted peace in 1941 either
This only works if you ignore the words of the Nazis themselves, indeed of any German nationalist after the fin de siecle. This is alarmingly stupid on its face.
Posted on 9/4/24 at 11:26 am to OBReb6
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Many aspects of right wing nationalist systems of governance are valuable and necessary for certain situations, but because of our WW2 narrative these discussions went the way of throwing the baby out with the bathwater.
Like what aspects?
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What’s extremely frustrating to me is when I look at the whole picture objectively, it seems clear to me that the so called anti fascist sentiments and soft power (with sprinklings of hard power) moves the state enacts in modern times cause backlash and resentment leading to the exact so called fascist tendencies they are supposed to be preventing.
You have everything backwards. The fascist sentiments rose in response to several trends before liberal governments were in power. In places like Spain and Austria, they had no tradition of liberal governance, instead going straight from monarchy and Imperial governance to fascism. You desperately need to read something about 18th century Europe, because you are spouting nonsense here.
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From my point of view, the logical action would be to look at events of the past objectively. Note that some list of X actions by the Franco, Mussolini, and Hitler regimes were actually smart and beneficial to their societies, and then these Y actions by those same regimes were detrimental and led to terrible outcomes.
Name those actions then instead of relying on vague generalities.
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But more importantly, what were the actions from outside actors that led to these conditions in the first place?
You realize that none of this is obscure, right? You desperately need to read several books.
Posted on 9/4/24 at 11:30 am to OBReb6
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But I still think peace was achievable, and again Britain had nothing to bargain with in the first place
do you understand Hitler was a liar and fake peace deals were merely stall tactics? just look at what he did to Neville Chamberlain over poland
Hitler was trying to create manageable order out of the ramp up and early part of the war.
by potentially putting german conflict with England on the shelf for the second time, Hitler hoped he could then focus his growing resources on solidifying his holdings and preparing for an attack on Russia
Lebrun and chamberlain wanting peace and negotiating with Hitler in 1938 allowed the nazis time to over run Europe and North Africa,and most importantly the oil fields of Libya, Tunisia, Poland, Romania and Hungary
giving hitler the Sudetenland in 1938 showed him the French and the English were not serious about standing up to him, then it all began in 1939 in poland
germany didnt let the english escape Dunkirk, they made a tactical decision on may 24 to use their air force to preserve their troops and armor and they hoped to starve out the troops on the beach. the germans also did not fully control the town until June 3/4
The germans underestimated the resolve of the English and by the time they realized what was really happening on may 26/27th it was effectively too late to really respond. The efforts removed about 340,000 men in six days. But almost 90,000 french troops remained behind fighting the Germans and delaying the inevitable defeat on june 4th
Posted on 9/4/24 at 11:30 am to Fun Bunch
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Yes yes, we should definitely believe this propaganda spread by Adolf Hitler when he had already invaded multiple countries and we know from a variety of sources he had no intention of honoring this whatsoever.
Oh come FB. He was totally trustworthy and honorable. He deserved benefit of the doubt.
Posted on 9/4/24 at 11:33 am to SECSolomonGrundy
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Which parts did you disagree with?
the notion that we're constantly lied to and only noble pundits such as candace owens and tucker know and are willing to reveal the truth.
as the other poster mentioned, controversy (ie. contrarianism and conspiracies) is profitable. Alex Jones laid the groundwork for this, but did it in a bombastic and extreme way that also drew ridicule.
subsequent alt media pundits such as candace (and now tucker) have adopted this strategy, but do it in a less cartoonish way and are simply "just asking the questions". Candace prefaces discussions with "i shouldnt be talking about this but....". Tucker prefaces with "you're being lied to/you've been lied to...."
clicks and views are revenue for Youtube pundits, and simply rehashing mainstream ideology doesn't pay the bills.
Posted on 9/4/24 at 11:48 am to supatigah
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do you understand Hitler was a liar and fake peace deals were merely stall tactics? just look at what he did to Neville Chamberlain over poland
Look what he did to Stalin.
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giving hitler the Sudetenland in 1938 showed him the French and the English were not serious about standing up to him, then it all began in 1939 in poland
Before Churchill became PM England declared war on Germany two days after the invasion of Poland.. After that Germany conquered Denmark and Norway. On the very day Churchill became PM Germany invaded France.
Does this sound like Churchill instigated war? Does this sound like Hitler wanted peace? The man wanted world conquest and he’d say or do anything to accomplish that goal.
This post was edited on 9/4/24 at 3:06 pm
Posted on 9/4/24 at 11:56 am to crazy4lsu
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Like what aspects?
Strong national identity
Closed borders
Economic protectionism
Economic incentives for starting families and having children
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You have everything backwards. The fascist sentiments rose in response to several trends before liberal governments were in power. In places like Spain and Austria, they had no tradition of liberal governance, instead going straight from monarchy and Imperial governance to fascism. You desperately need to read something about 18th century Europe, because you are spouting nonsense here.
Maybe you should read a book.
In Spain, the monarchy became a republic. This republic became infiltrated by communists, anarchists, and they immediately took steps to neuter and basically outlaw the Catholic Church. These groups indiscriminately murdered some 7,000 nuns priests and other clergy for no purpose other than eradication. The nationalists rose up in response to this, and the republican government was backed by the Soviet Union. Italy and Germany backed the nationalists. Francoist Spain was different than the others in that it was fundamentally a holy war.
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Name those actions then instead of relying on vague generalities.
1. Identifying outside threats to the sovereignty of their people and fortifying their resistance to it.
2. Putting a stop to foreign exploitation economically
What I really mean by studying this objectively is to identify clearly WHY these states succumbed to fascism and what internal and external actions led to it. Because personally I do not want to live in a fascist country, but I think we ignore all the triggers from the past that lead to it because no one knows what they are, or they arrogantly think we are too powerful to allow them this time around.
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You realize that none of this is obscure, right? You desperately need to read several books.
It’s extremely obscure in the public discourse
Posted on 9/4/24 at 11:57 am to 632627
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subsequent alt media pundits such as candace (and now tucker) have adopted this strategy, but do it in a less cartoonish way and are simply "just asking the questions". Candace prefaces discussions with "i shouldnt be talking about this but....". Tucker prefaces with "you're being lied to/you've been lied to...."
clicks and views are revenue for Youtube pundits, and simply rehashing mainstream ideology doesn't pay the bills.
Funny, I saw this when looking at Judge Nap's channel.
Judge Nap's transformation is wild. He's almost an alt leftist at this point.
The Ukraine situation is an interesting test of what/who to believe. I think some of the alt media academics (Sachs, Mearsheimer) and intel guys (Larry Johnson, Ray McGovern) seem trustworthy and have been more accurate than MSM, but it's hard to tell.
Posted on 9/4/24 at 12:01 pm to OBReb6
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In Spain, the monarchy became a republic. This republic became infiltrated by communists, anarchists, and they immediately took steps to neuter and basically outlaw the Catholic Church. These groups indiscriminately murdered some 7,000 nuns priests and other clergy for no purpose other than eradication. The nationalists rose up in response to this, and the republican government was backed by the Soviet Union. Italy and Germany backed the nationalists. Francoist Spain was different than the others in that it was fundamentally a holy war.
This. The communists plan was to murder half of the Catholics to heel the other half. Franco was reluctant to come out against the republic and only did so because the situation was desperate.
Posted on 9/4/24 at 12:03 pm to 632627
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notion that we're constantly lied to and only noble pundits such as candace owens and tucker know and are willing to reveal the truth.
Its been a couple days since i watched it but i dont remember Cooper saying that at all.
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Alex Jones
Dont remember any discussion of Alex Jones, either.
Cooper was saying that the history books teach us one side of the story. He is trying to go deeper to provide more context as to what happened. He is not denying the holocaust. Some people are just dumb, and others are dishonest.
But his podcast on Israel/Palestine undoubtedly pissed off a bunch of people who cant stand to hear anything negative about zionism.
Posted on 9/4/24 at 12:07 pm to OBReb6
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Because personally I do not want to live in a fascist country, but I think we ignore all the triggers from the past that lead to it because no one knows what they are, or they arrogantly think we are too powerful to allow them this time around.
If there was an American Franco, I would support that. No hesitation.
Posted on 9/4/24 at 12:09 pm to Lima Whiskey
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If there was an American Franco, I would support that. No hesitation.
If it got to the point of what Spain was facing in 1936 then so would I
Posted on 9/4/24 at 12:41 pm to OBReb6
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Closed borders
Lol my god.
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Economic incentives for starting families and having children
Name the policies.
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In Spain, the monarchy became a republic.
For a decade or so. That's not a tradition of liberal governance. Nor is the Weimar Republic. Fascism as an idea started before those countries had any thing resembling liberal governance. You should think carefully about what exactly the fascists were reacting to before you give me another idiotic, glib reply.
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1. Identifying outside threats to the sovereignty of their people and fortifying their resistance to it.
2. Putting a stop to foreign exploitation economically
Lol you think the fascists achieved these ends? It's far more accurate to say the fascists wanted to exploit other countries economically like the colonial powers. Also both these points are vague generalities. Give me some more specifics about the policy measures and their effects. I'm being pedantic here because none of this knowledge is obscure.
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What I really mean by studying this objectively is to identify clearly WHY these states succumbed to fascism and what internal and external actions led to it. Because personally I do not want to live in a fascist country, but I think we ignore all the triggers from the past that lead to it because no one knows what they are, or they arrogantly think we are too powerful to allow them this time around.
And then you should read what the fascists wrote. Because they were clear. They were mainly anti-communists, anti-materialists, and anti-monarchist who appealed to a past that never existed in order to achieve political aims they could barely manage.
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It’s extremely obscure in the public discourse
It is absolutely not. It might be one of the most written about subjects of the post-war era. You just have been failed by your own education so you have no idea of how the Treaty of Westphalia relates directly to the world wars. It sucks that people, not specifically you, but people in your camp pretend to be defenders of the European tradition while also knowing so little about it.
Posted on 9/4/24 at 12:42 pm to SECSolomonGrundy
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notion that we're constantly lied to and only noble pundits such as candace owens and tucker know and are willing to reveal the truth.
Its been a couple days since i watched it but i dont remember Cooper saying that at all.
The title of Tucker's interview is "the true history of...."
His short description of the interview begins with....
"Darryl Cooper may be the best and most honest popular historian in the United States. His latest project is the most forbidden of all: trying to understand World War Two."
Tucker's agenda here is pretty clear.
Posted on 9/4/24 at 12:45 pm to Lima Whiskey
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If there was an American Franco, I would support that. No hesitation
Which is both not surprising and also a hilarious admission. Franco by 1959 had basically bent the knee to the West and given up autarkic aims in lieu of American aid. You'll bend the knee too.
Posted on 9/4/24 at 12:55 pm to 632627
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Tucker's agenda here is pretty clear.
It is. He's been pimped by white nationalists for a number of years now. This was Stormfront's editor all the way back in 2016:
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All of these former cuckolds have had their power-levels raised by orders of magnitude by the Trump coup.
Take Tucker Carlson. This guy used to be the worst type of bowtie wearing ****. He was literally modeling everything about himself (including his jawline) after king cuck George Will.
Oh but now – this man is a machine of ultimate destruction.
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