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Posted on 9/4/24 at 1:06 pm to 632627
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Tucker's agenda here is pretty clear.
They try to conceal the true nature of the discussion by claiming it's a discussion about Churchill, the Treaty of Versailles or some other widely discussed and debated topic. There are 500 books at your local library discussing those topics. 500 books "trying to understand World War Two".
So when he says
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His latest project is the most forbidden of all: trying to understand World War Two."
He's revealing the true conversation because there is only one theory that is forbidden. As OBReb put it
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All of this talk is illegal in Europe and you’ll go to prison.
Not "all" of this talk. Just the part none of them have the courage to actually say out loud.
Posted on 9/4/24 at 1:10 pm to JoeHackett
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They try to conceal the true nature of the discussion by claiming it's a discussion about Churchill
I wonder if Tucker is willing to take the gloves off and go full blown antisemite like Candace, or, if he's too chicken shite.
Posted on 9/4/24 at 1:12 pm to JoeHackett
Right. They like extreme policies and want to see those policies from the past vindicated, so they're horny for revisionist histories.
Posted on 9/4/24 at 1:15 pm to LookSquirrel
Posted on 9/4/24 at 1:23 pm to SECSolomonGrundy
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That's a Tucker Carlson issue not a Darryl Cooper issue
Nothing in my post addressed Cooper, plenty of other people here have done so.
I was explicitly critiquing Tucker.
Posted on 9/4/24 at 1:25 pm to JoeHackett
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Not "all" of this talk. Just the part none of them have the courage to actually say out loud.
What, that the Jews are responsible for all of societies ills? Is that what you want someone to say?
There’s quite a few that actually believe that, but I don’t. I do think Israel is a savage regime emboldened by the US’s backing and they should be reigned in, and the Jewish lobbying in the US (primarily tied to Israel’s interests) is a net negative to the US as a whole.
I don’t think Jews as a whole are a problem and I have no gripes with them. There are a bunch of neocon Jews that make it hard to be entirely unbiased on their intentions, but that is a separate issue.
The overwhelming censorship of discussing parts the Jews have played in historical events is what fuels this conspiratorial antisemitism though. The material is endless because there’s a lot of key events that Jews did play a big part in, and it would be better to understand why this is (their tendency to be involved in revolutionary movements due to levels of education as well as felling of resentment from past persecutions being a good example), but common discourse doesn’t allow this and people who aren’t well read just assume Jews control the world as a result.
A lot of the backstory of WW2 and its aftermath is definitely tied to Jews, and any honest examination of events requires discussion of them. Not doing so makes things worse and feeds people’s confirmation bias that Jews control everything.
Posted on 9/4/24 at 1:38 pm to TigerDoc
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They like extreme policies and want to see those policies from the past vindicated, so they're horny for revisionist histories.
What extreme policies?
Posted on 9/4/24 at 1:39 pm to SECSolomonGrundy
mass deportation for one.
Posted on 9/4/24 at 1:41 pm to 632627
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Nothing in my post addressed Cooper, plenty of other people here have done so.
You said this:
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hundreds of historians have lied to us for decades, but good ol Tucker has now exposed the truth on his YouTube channel.
So i asked what you disagreed with. And you pointed out the description of the video. So im gonna go way out on a limb and say you didnt watch the interview.
And this thread is now 8 pages of mostly historical discussion. You come in on like page 6 talking about "oh i dont like tucker carlson." Maybe just sit this one out.
Posted on 9/4/24 at 1:46 pm to TigerDoc
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mass deportation for one.
Guilty as charged. Hope there’s 15 million + of them
Posted on 9/4/24 at 1:54 pm to TigerDoc
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mass deportation for one
Ok. Just so im clear, you are saying some people want to validate the policy of mass deportation from WW2?
And that's what you got from the interview and this thread? Where did anybody argue for that? I guess i missed it. I heard Cooper talk about concentration camps on both sides. But it didnt sound like he was in favor of them.
I think what Cooper is trying to do is give context to the decision making of both sides. Things are not always as simple as we have been told. He gives it to both sides. But some people are too intellectually shallow to hear a viewpoint outside their own worldview.
I think its a tremendous endeavor. We should all try to better understand the people we hate. The true purpose of understanding history isnt to fanboy one side of the other. The purpose of understanding history is to learn from it. You dont learn anything if the story is "these guys are really bad and all the good guys got together and stopped them."
It's amazing to me that people are so mad. Over on reddit they are calling Cooper a holocaust denier. The man is just stating facts. If you disagree with his facts, refute them.
Posted on 9/4/24 at 1:58 pm to JoeHackett
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the discussion by claiming it's a discussion about Churchill, the Treaty of Versailles or some other widely discussed and debated topic. There are 500 books at your local library discussing those topics. 500 books "trying to understand World War Two".
His point is that the general point of view he (and David Irving and Pat Buchanan) was putting forth is verboten.
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If tweet fails to load, click here.Posted on 9/4/24 at 2:24 pm to SECSolomonGrundy
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So i asked what you disagreed with
Churchill as the chief villain of WW2 is an absolutely preposterous position to take.
Posted on 9/4/24 at 2:26 pm to Earnest_P
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His point is that the general point of view he (and David Irving and Pat Buchanan) was putting forth is verboten.
So what if it is? Maybe its not verboten just completely and utterly wrong and not even worth discussing.
Posted on 9/4/24 at 2:48 pm to SECSolomonGrundy
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you are saying some people want to validate the policy of mass deportation from WW2?
There is a market for this rhetoric (why Youtubes and substacks pop with this content). Making Churchill the villain here allows the proponents of mass deportation in the US able to consider the Nazis failure to enforce "forced emigration" seem reasonable and likely to have worked if not for big bad Winston. And it keeps people from thinking about how and why that Nazi forced emigration policy failed and was transformed to extermination policy so that we shouldn't have to worry about genocide should we embark on an attempt to move >70% more people that the Nazis would've had to.
Posted on 9/4/24 at 2:57 pm to TigerDoc
We are questioning what we were taught, because we have relatively recently found out that our teachers are willing to lie to us about very important things.
Our loss of faith is not our own fault. It’s sensible.
Is it sensible to call Churchill the chief villain of WWII? I would say no, even though I think we did a lot of vile things to the German people and am sure that a lot of profiteers in the West were very happy to go to war with Hitler for reasons they weren’t honest about.
Our loss of faith is not our own fault. It’s sensible.
Is it sensible to call Churchill the chief villain of WWII? I would say no, even though I think we did a lot of vile things to the German people and am sure that a lot of profiteers in the West were very happy to go to war with Hitler for reasons they weren’t honest about.
Posted on 9/4/24 at 2:57 pm to TigerDoc
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mass deportation for one.
Absolutely, it needs to happen
Posted on 9/4/24 at 3:15 pm to 632627
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Churchill as the chief villain of WW2 is an absolutely preposterous position to take.
Well he backs up that opinion with a lot of facts. Even if one doesnt arrive at the same conclusion, there is value in the discussion. Churchill did a lot of bad shite. He had an enormous effect on the end result of the war. I dont remember if Cooper called him the cheif villian but he certainly said that Churchill has as much responsibility for the outcome as anyone.
Posted on 9/4/24 at 3:16 pm to Earnest_P
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Is it sensible to call Churchill the chief villain of WWII? I would say no, even though I think we did a lot of vile things to the German people and am sure that a lot of profiteers in the West were very happy to go to war with Hitler for reasons they weren’t honest about.
The entire argument of Churchill being the chief villain falls under the pretense that none of the other atrocities would have happened had Churchill not provoked the war at every turn.
I don’t agree with calling him the chief villain of the war. I think it’s 1a Stalin and 1b Hitler. But I completely agree with his premise that none of the other atrocities (at least German performed atrocities) would have happened without Churchill and his warmongering.
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