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re: The timeline doesnt lie. Trump investigation was started AFTER he won the nomination
Posted on 5/16/18 at 3:22 pm to Zanzibaw
Posted on 5/16/18 at 3:22 pm to Zanzibaw
When did he close that "reopening" which was apparently triggered by finding an additional hundred thousand emails? Pretty damn quick if I remember, and before the election.
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Posted on 5/16/18 at 3:24 pm to GRTiger
quote:I'm not saying they were intentionally helping Trump, but the releases did help him.
It's really not. We aren't making up their words. What do you think they were doing? You're passively arguing they were HELPING Trump while brushing aside factual evidence that makes that truly asinine.
But regardless, you're taking the "insurance policy" all from a text without much context but missing an important point in that text:
quote:If they CAN'T TAKE THE RISK THAT HE GETS ELECTED, then why didn't they release their insurance policy so they didn't take on that risk?
“I want to believe the path you threw out for consideration in Andy’s office - that there’s no way he gets elected - but I’m afraid we can’t take that risk,” Strzok texted on Aug. 15, 2016. “It’s like an insurance policy in the unlikely event you die before you’re 40.”
It seems to me, if anything, this implies that they had to make sure it prevented from getting in office (the risk). BUT THEY DIDN'T DO THAT.
Posted on 5/16/18 at 3:26 pm to Zanzibaw
quote:So it's not much of a witch hunt then. They were hunting with a cap gun then. So what is all the fuss now that he's pretty untouchable for all intents and purposes?
No, frickstick, their plan was to find something. Sadly for them it didn't happen.
This post was edited on 5/16/18 at 3:27 pm
Posted on 5/16/18 at 3:26 pm to buckeye_vol
quote:
If they CAN'T TAKE THE RISK THAT HE GETS ELECTED, then why didn't they release their insurance policy so they didn't take on that risk?
Because they DIDN'T FIND ANYTHING.
Posted on 5/16/18 at 3:26 pm to RobbBobb
cohen will be living in russian within two weeks or dead!
rip
rip
Posted on 5/16/18 at 3:26 pm to GRTiger
quote:
When did he close that "reopening" which was apparently triggered by finding an additional hundred thousand emails? Pretty damn quick if I remember, and before the election.
took them months to go through 300k, but they went through an additional 150k in 3 days.
3 days.
Posted on 5/16/18 at 3:27 pm to Zanzibaw
quote:Well they could have leaked details about the investigation, like McCabe did regarding the Clinton Foundation investigation. But they didn't. So now it's really pointless since they aren't in power and Trump is.
Because they DIDN'T FIND ANYTHING.
Posted on 5/16/18 at 3:32 pm to buckeye_vol
So what does that mean? Obviously their plan was flawed since Trump won and is still here. But clearly there was some plot against him. That should at least make you incredibly skeptical of anything that came from these guys that was against Trump and flimsy.
This post was edited on 5/16/18 at 3:34 pm
Posted on 5/16/18 at 3:40 pm to RobbBobb
Damn, you guys go through some serious contortions to interpret facts that are actually the precise opposite of what you try to argue as the truth
Posted on 5/16/18 at 3:40 pm to buckeye_vol
quote:They wanted to have leverage over Trump in the event that he did win. Leverage is EVERYTHING. Hence the one-on-one meeting between Comey and Trump. Why do you think we still have a special prosecutor 16 months into Trump's presidency? They knew what they had been doing was highly illegal and they weren't just going to hand over everything to Trump.
So they never thought they were going to lose, but they still took out an insurance policy. But they released damaging information against his opponent instead, having the opposite result of what they supposedly wanted.
And then their insurance policy was to release it AFTER Trump became the most powerful person in the world, the boss of the agencies who were committing this misdeeds with ultimate access to find it?
That is just asinine.
Posted on 5/16/18 at 3:42 pm to GRTiger
quote:So is Mueller. Your premise that their plan isn't working is incorrect.
So what does that mean? Obviously their plan was flawed since Trump won and is still here.
This post was edited on 5/16/18 at 3:43 pm
Posted on 5/16/18 at 3:43 pm to GRTiger
quote:Maybe there was, but a massive plot spanning across government agencies to their highest levels is a lot to infer from a tweet with minimal context between two lying, cheating lovers.
But clearly there was some plot against him.
But how does this plot explain McCabe's illegal le of damaging information against the opptnent of the person they were plotting against?
Posted on 5/16/18 at 3:50 pm to beaverfever
quote:If it is working, which is questionable, then Trump himself has probably helped it the most NY changing the Comey firing story and constantly drawing attention to the investigation even when there was good news to highlight instead.
So is Mueller. Your premise that their plan isn't working is incorrect.
In fact, I think it's more than likely that the witch hunt is mostly a figment of his own imagination and his constant focus on that had made it seem more like a witch hunt than it really is.
And now his supporters are trying to prove it's a witch hunt and will twist anything to prove it, while his detractors are trying to prove it's warranted with simple twisting. Neither is based much in reality but both make it seem like it is, achieving the same end result.
This post was edited on 5/16/18 at 3:53 pm
Posted on 5/16/18 at 3:56 pm to buckeye_vol
I don't put as much importance into the text. There is plenty of evidence without that. If I had to guess the "insurance policy" doesn't necessarily mean keeping Trump out of office. That would require an alarming level of conceit. I would guess It refers to covering their tracks and maintaining leverage in the event that Trump is elected.
Posted on 5/16/18 at 3:59 pm to RobbBobb
oh the deep state. deeper than ever. sooo deep
in this week's edition of things the go against the deep state theory but we'll find a way to argue against it anyway - keeping the trump investigation quiet while he's running BECAUSE WE CANT LET HIM GET ELECTED
god damnit you people and your tin foil hats
in this week's edition of things the go against the deep state theory but we'll find a way to argue against it anyway - keeping the trump investigation quiet while he's running BECAUSE WE CANT LET HIM GET ELECTED
god damnit you people and your tin foil hats
Posted on 5/16/18 at 4:01 pm to beaverfever
I think the FBI was duped in all of this. They were Brennan, Clapper and Hillary's useful idiots. A lot of people say Strzok was a Clinton fan, but he was not. In some of the texts, he clearly bashes Hillary (and says he was a Kasich supporter). Yes, he hated Trump, but he wasn't a Hillary fan either. Strzok, it is clear from his texts, really believed Trump was a Russian agent. So he was being duped by fake intel coming from CIA/state department/Steele/Fusion.
I think this is why Rosenstein isn't cooperating. He knows "muh Russia" is BS, but he doesn't want the world (including Russia) seeing how easily they were fooled. Same goes for Sessions, I think. It could indeed be damaging to national security if Russia gets insight to how the FBI co-intel branch operates.
Now Brennan, Clapper, Hillary are a different story. As Nunes said, he's seen the documents and there was no intelligence whatsoever from official channels relating to Trump working with Russia. This means the intelligence they did have was being funneled through "back channels" in order to keep it out of the purview of oversight. This means (as Nunes has implied) that it was State Department people (Hillary's people) funneling this stuff back and forth with allies like Britain (Steele, Halper, etc.).
Now, why would they not use official channels? There's only two reasons:
1) They knew their info was dubious and honest intel analysts would see right through it. (That's why we have intel analysts, folks. Their job is to ferret out bullshite like this. We don't need to start a war over fake news).
2) There was no intelligence in the first place -- they were making it up. This goes back to bullet point #1.
Either way, you only hide intel from official channels because you know your intel is either complete bullshite, or at least unreliable.
So, yeah, it's possible the FBI started this in good faith, but it's clear they didn't continue that way. They knew Steele was FoS (they actually fired him), but continued with his fake information anyway. I think at some point Comey began to hold a personal animus against Trump and threw all ethics out the window.
I think this is why Rosenstein isn't cooperating. He knows "muh Russia" is BS, but he doesn't want the world (including Russia) seeing how easily they were fooled. Same goes for Sessions, I think. It could indeed be damaging to national security if Russia gets insight to how the FBI co-intel branch operates.
Now Brennan, Clapper, Hillary are a different story. As Nunes said, he's seen the documents and there was no intelligence whatsoever from official channels relating to Trump working with Russia. This means the intelligence they did have was being funneled through "back channels" in order to keep it out of the purview of oversight. This means (as Nunes has implied) that it was State Department people (Hillary's people) funneling this stuff back and forth with allies like Britain (Steele, Halper, etc.).
Now, why would they not use official channels? There's only two reasons:
1) They knew their info was dubious and honest intel analysts would see right through it. (That's why we have intel analysts, folks. Their job is to ferret out bullshite like this. We don't need to start a war over fake news).
2) There was no intelligence in the first place -- they were making it up. This goes back to bullet point #1.
Either way, you only hide intel from official channels because you know your intel is either complete bullshite, or at least unreliable.
So, yeah, it's possible the FBI started this in good faith, but it's clear they didn't continue that way. They knew Steele was FoS (they actually fired him), but continued with his fake information anyway. I think at some point Comey began to hold a personal animus against Trump and threw all ethics out the window.
Posted on 5/16/18 at 4:03 pm to buckeye_vol
quote:I think one or the other is true. If Trump is innocent then the best thing that could be said of all parties involved in the intelligence community would be that they are reckless, incompetent to an improbable degree and political. I just want to see the cards flipped over. If Trump secretly conspired with the Russians or any other country to rig the election then I want to know.
And now his supporters are trying to prove it's a witch hunt and will twist anything to prove it, while his detractors are trying to prove it's warranted with simple twisting. Neither is based much in reality but both make it seem like it is, achieving the same end result.
Posted on 5/16/18 at 4:07 pm to RobbBobb
quote:
“I want to believe the path you threw out for consideration in Andy’s office — that there’s no way he gets elected,” Mr. Strzok wrote, “but I’m afraid we can’t take that risk. It’s like an insurance policy in the unlikely event you die before you’re 40.”
i stopped paying attention to the investigation once this came out. tells you everything you need to know.
Posted on 5/16/18 at 4:11 pm to beaverfever
quote:Sure. Bit recall Trump took a NYT's article about the government monitoring Page, Manafort, and someone else (can't remember) a month after it was published and concluded he was being wiretapped himself by Obama.
If Trump secretly conspired with the Russians or any other country to rig the election then I want to know.
Now the article didn't even imply that, let alone state that, but then many of husbands supporters were trying to prove it was true. So an article about an investigation into his associates became a story about an investigation into him because he made it about himself.
I just think Trump’s narcissism has made it seem more like a witch hunt than anything from the investigation.
Posted on 5/16/18 at 4:12 pm to bmy
And in regards to that text, TIL people in this thread think life insurance prevents death. 
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