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re: The state of Western Civilization update (Modern Art)
Posted on 4/21/23 at 10:16 pm to RCDfan1950
Posted on 4/21/23 at 10:16 pm to RCDfan1950
Well once I can finally finish this Godel, Escher, Bach book, which is well above my intellectual pay grade, I’ll look it up.
Posted on 4/21/23 at 10:20 pm to RCDfan1950
Well I’m out. Judging by my increasing grammatical errors I’ve had too much to drink to attempt any sort of productive conversation.
Posted on 4/21/23 at 10:39 pm to HVAU
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I think the MAGA base has a lot of psychological similarities to the TQ+, the victimhood, the desire to have a demagogue that makes them feel special, the penchant for boycotting brands that offend them (cancel culture), etc.
While some of it is petty victimhood attitudes on the right, you really can’t deny that they’re targeted with ease by every major institution in this country. Of course, the moment they object to be maligned wholesale, they’re told that they’re not allowed to have an opinion or resist. Bud Light is a great example. They didn’t call for the chicks head, they simply didn’t buy the product and they were called cancel culture hypocrites despite the fact that no one was trying to cancel anyone. The prevailing attitude from the radical centrists all the way to the far left is to tell them to shut the frick up and take their public beatings. You can’t really blame them for finally having enough.
Posted on 4/21/23 at 10:45 pm to HVAU
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I think a lot of the transgender fad is fed by the constant attention to it that conservatives are giving.
Most importantly, it's not just conservatives.
Beyond that, I think that's shallow reasoning.
By that, I mean... what was the alternative? What should they have done? Ignore the Drag Queen Story Hours because having men dress up as women to read stories to kids is normal?
Ignore people with obvious mental disorders trying to teach their kids about sexuality in schools?
How about a trip to see an actual drag show?
Those were things that happened before it got to this point, events that happened while many were still content to say "oh, it's not that big a deal".
I get it that you think kids are too far (and I agree), but what about other things?
Gyms?
Bathrooms?
Sports?
Dating?
Business?
So I ask you, where is the point that's "too much," the point where you think conservatives were justified in drawing attention to it by speaking out against it?
Posted on 4/22/23 at 12:57 am to HVAU
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There are multiple sculptures in the Louvre that would best be described as hermaphroditic. One specifically is from Rome circa 1600 (Hermaphrodite endormi). Another is of Bacchus. Whether we like it or not androgynous themes have been a fairly persistent occurrence in art throughout history.
You are aware that Hermaphroditus was a mythological figure who, as a male child, was raped by the nymph Salmacis resulting in his transformation into a hermaphrodite, right? This may not be the gotcha you'd hoped for.
Posted on 4/22/23 at 1:41 am to HVAU
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I think a lot of the transgender fad is fed by the constant attention to it that conservatives are giving. It’s one segment of this generation’s version of rebellion, and it spreads as much or more from the negative attention you guys are giving, compared to any specific proponent’s agenda.
bullshite
Posted on 4/22/23 at 5:15 am to burger bearcat
Throughout history the great civilizations and empires that glorified all of this did not stay great. Greeks and Roman’s are prime examples. Just saying America.
Posted on 4/22/23 at 6:47 am to HVAU
quote:What is the purpose of the newborn baby in the modern version when the other examples are anatomical displays of 1 in a million freaks. Why the fuss for a segment of the population that represents 1/2 of 1 percent of the American population today.
Oh look. Liverpool has one too.
This post was edited on 4/22/23 at 6:52 am
Posted on 4/22/23 at 6:56 am to burger bearcat
Is that… a man bun??? Nice! ??
Posted on 4/22/23 at 7:11 am to Placekicker
Deviance refers to behavior that deviates from what is considered acceptable or normal in a society. Deviant content often includes sexually explicit or violent artwork, which may be considered offensive, inappropriate, or even harmful to some individuals. While some may argue that such content should be protected as a form of free speech, it is important to consider the potential negative impact it may have on vulnerable individuals, particularly children and young adults.
Moreover, the glorification of deviant content may contribute to a larger societal problem of desensitization to deviant behavior. By normalizing and celebrating deviant content, we risk losing sight of what is considered acceptable and ethical in society. We also risk perpetuating harmful stereotypes and stigmatization of certain groups of people.
In conclusion, while art should be celebrated and appreciated, it is important to recognize the potential harm that may come from the glorification of deviant content on DeviantArt. It is crucial for individuals and society as a whole to reflect on what we consider acceptable behavior and to actively work towards creating a more inclusive and respectful community.
I thank you - and ChatGPT thanks you...
ETA: Just as opportunistic Gays have hijacked/commandeered the term "marriage", this sample sculpture does the same to the general concept of "Art". If you're promoting shite-on-a Shingle as art, make it a private showing/invitation only. Further, liberals tend to say offensive things/display offensive things in a way that tests the waters to use later as precedence if there is no pushback - or scream at the sky when there is pushback. In the absence of pushback, they declare it acceptable via the absence of objection - even without public endorsement. AKA: "Self-Aggrandizement".
Trans are a small pimple on the arse of Mankind.
Moreover, the glorification of deviant content may contribute to a larger societal problem of desensitization to deviant behavior. By normalizing and celebrating deviant content, we risk losing sight of what is considered acceptable and ethical in society. We also risk perpetuating harmful stereotypes and stigmatization of certain groups of people.
In conclusion, while art should be celebrated and appreciated, it is important to recognize the potential harm that may come from the glorification of deviant content on DeviantArt. It is crucial for individuals and society as a whole to reflect on what we consider acceptable behavior and to actively work towards creating a more inclusive and respectful community.
I thank you - and ChatGPT thanks you...
ETA: Just as opportunistic Gays have hijacked/commandeered the term "marriage", this sample sculpture does the same to the general concept of "Art". If you're promoting shite-on-a Shingle as art, make it a private showing/invitation only. Further, liberals tend to say offensive things/display offensive things in a way that tests the waters to use later as precedence if there is no pushback - or scream at the sky when there is pushback. In the absence of pushback, they declare it acceptable via the absence of objection - even without public endorsement. AKA: "Self-Aggrandizement".
Trans are a small pimple on the arse of Mankind.
This post was edited on 4/22/23 at 7:26 am
Posted on 4/22/23 at 8:35 am to HVAU
All this thread proves is that the artist types have always been figs
Posted on 4/22/23 at 8:56 am to HVAU
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Well, I’m not pro or anti tranny.
This thread has confirmed you are pro-tranny. Accept it.
Posted on 4/22/23 at 9:12 am to burger bearcat
Nothing new under the sun:


Posted on 4/22/23 at 9:46 am to Bard
Drag Story Time may have happened in some limited capacity, but it spread as a pushback to conservative outrage. On the other hand, you corps call a lot of things Drag Story Time. Does Rocky Horror count, or Hairspray the Musical, numerous Shakespeare productions.
As far as what is taught in schools, I don’t think sexuality, particularly alternative forms of sexuality, should be a regular subject of discussion. However, if a student approaches a teacher with an issue of a sexual nature that they’re experiencing I believe the teacher has a duty to attempt to help. I would expect for there to be some protocols to ascertain whether or not the parents are aware and willing to help address the issue first, determine if there are other avenues that would be better for the child to seek help, etc.
As far as kids at drag shows, that’s something the parents bright their kids to. I don’t think it’s an appropriate environment for children, but I don’t get to raise other peoples children In the same way, I’ve seen plenty of shots of kids with their parents at white supremacist rallies, but there again I don’t get to raise other people’s children.
As far as gyms and bathrooms, I think other solutions are necessary. For bathrooms other a three bathroom solution, all unisex bathrooms, or groupings of single bathrooms instead of communal. That works require a lot of retrofitting. The unisex ones crack me up. When I was in France last year I went into a public toilet in Aix En Provence, pissed in a corner urinal while women walked a few feet behind me to get to the stalls. It wasn’t a big deal to anybody there.
For gyms, I think it’d be pretty easy to designate a couple of spaces for single occupancy changing and outline a policy that those that gender themselves differently than their anatomical sex must use the single occupancy units.
In sports, I’m off the mind that anatomical sex should compete against anatomical sex. I’ve heard counter arguments about hormone treatments essentially leveling the playing field between a transsexual person and their competitor, but I don’t really think that’s the case.
As far as what is taught in schools, I don’t think sexuality, particularly alternative forms of sexuality, should be a regular subject of discussion. However, if a student approaches a teacher with an issue of a sexual nature that they’re experiencing I believe the teacher has a duty to attempt to help. I would expect for there to be some protocols to ascertain whether or not the parents are aware and willing to help address the issue first, determine if there are other avenues that would be better for the child to seek help, etc.
As far as kids at drag shows, that’s something the parents bright their kids to. I don’t think it’s an appropriate environment for children, but I don’t get to raise other peoples children In the same way, I’ve seen plenty of shots of kids with their parents at white supremacist rallies, but there again I don’t get to raise other people’s children.
As far as gyms and bathrooms, I think other solutions are necessary. For bathrooms other a three bathroom solution, all unisex bathrooms, or groupings of single bathrooms instead of communal. That works require a lot of retrofitting. The unisex ones crack me up. When I was in France last year I went into a public toilet in Aix En Provence, pissed in a corner urinal while women walked a few feet behind me to get to the stalls. It wasn’t a big deal to anybody there.
For gyms, I think it’d be pretty easy to designate a couple of spaces for single occupancy changing and outline a policy that those that gender themselves differently than their anatomical sex must use the single occupancy units.
In sports, I’m off the mind that anatomical sex should compete against anatomical sex. I’ve heard counter arguments about hormone treatments essentially leveling the playing field between a transsexual person and their competitor, but I don’t really think that’s the case.
Posted on 4/22/23 at 9:53 am to upgrayedd
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While some of it is petty victimhood attitudes on the right, you really can’t deny that they’re targeted with ease by every major institution in this country. Of course, the moment they object to be maligned wholesale, they’re told that they’re not allowed to have an opinion or resist. Bud Light is a great example. They didn’t call for the chicks head, they simply didn’t buy the product and they were called cancel culture hypocrites despite the fact that no one was trying to cancel anyone. The prevailing attitude from the radical centrists all the way to the far left is to tell them to shut the frick up and take their public beatings. You can’t really blame them for finally having enough.
Ok, so flip your perspective for just a moment. Consider any other group in the country that considers themselves victims of oppression. Most of them have just as much, or more cause to feel oppressed. And even when that oppression begins to lessen through cultural change they’re still conditioned to search for oppression anywhere they can find it. Just like MAGA.
For any person, if you want to go looking for ways the world is stacked against you you will definitely find it, and the person that’s instructing you about your victimhood, whether that’s Donald Trump, Joe Biden, Fox, CNN, Kenneth Copeland, BLM, etc. Is probably doing to manipulate you or get something from you.
Posted on 4/22/23 at 9:57 am to tigerpawl
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Why the fuss for a segment of the population that represents 1/2 of 1 percent of the American population today.
Yeah. I’m ok with everyone shutting the frick up about it.
Posted on 4/22/23 at 10:01 am to TygerDurden
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Throughout history the great civilizations and empires that glorified all of this did not stay great. Greeks and Roman’s are prime examples. Just saying America.
Said the previous generation in response to the flapper types in the 1920s. Said the previous generation in response to the free loving hippies in the 1960s. Said the previous generation in response to the coke fueled disco ragers of the 1970s. And on and on.
Posted on 4/22/23 at 10:03 am to KAGTASTIC
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This thread has confirmed you are pro-tranny. Accept it.
Maybe you can read through the thread some more chief.
Posted on 4/22/23 at 12:07 pm to HVAU
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Maybe you can read through the thread some more chief.
I've read it plenty bud. All you do is make excuses to support it. You may need try to step back and try to read all you wrote from a different perspective.
If you don't think it's a deviance that shouldn't be normalized, for any age group, then you are pro-tranny.
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